Utah's Republic

I don’t sympathize with the destruction of US sovereignty or one world government but I wonder if Ayers made that comment more to point out the absurdity of the US having a military presence in over one hundred countries. (That being said I’m sure Ayers would be very pleased with a one world social democracy.)

The United States was not intended to be a social democracy but at the same time it wasn’t intended to be an empire either. We arrogantly postulate that our presence across the globe is in everyone’s best interest but in reality it’s not. Also, we have no moral or Constitutional authority to be policing the world. We should have a strong defense-that means our bases should be kept at home.

How would we like it if China (or some other country) built a base in Florida? No country or government system is perfect and we should stop using aggression (i.e. setting up bases all over the world) in order to “make the world safe for democracy”.

In a nutshell- We should repent of all forms of aggression whether it’s social democracy at home or empire abroad.

Jim, I disagree with the premise of some of your comments here. The US just doesn’t go around “looking” for places to put military bases at. In fact, they’ve abandoned many of those bases, including Wheelus AFB in Libya. Now, that being said, as a son of a “lifer” Air Force MSgt, I have seen the benefits and destructive of those bases. Are they a result of “aggression” as you say? Some are possibly, but others aren’t. many of the current bases you see are the result of WWII. Do they still need to be there? Interesting question given today’s current state of turmoil.

Let’s look at the Mid East right now. Should we be there? Well, we are so let’s go with that. We now have two rather large bases on either side of Iran. What a novel thing to do to keep Iran in check. Should we keep Iran in check? I feel yes given their openness about wanting to destry the US and Israel. If we “repented” as you say would they come at us? Most definitely. They truly want to destroy the US and it isn’t because of their “sins”. It is much bigger than that. Are you trying to say that you want them to be able to destroy the US?

Now, what about the bases in England? We do pay them a handsome some to be there, and you know what? I don’t see masses running around demanding that the US leave. No, I see England using the US as their gatekeepers so to speak.

Korea? Think about North Korea…

One may say that many of these bases are about oil. So? Are you willing to give up your current way of life because the oil has been shut off? I would hope that we could develop our own oil production in such a way that is would be feasible and economical, but, until then…

One might think that we are arrogant for our way of life? maybe so, but I have spoken with people who come from some of the poorest areas of the world and found them to be some of the happiest people of the world because they really know what is important in life. We haven’t yet. I actually feel sorry for us… Look at it this way…. Does a fish know he’s wet? They don’t know they’re poor until somebody told them so.

Maybe our presence around the world is a much needed thing, but maybe, we need to redefine what our presence really means. To just pack up and leave at this time would be totally disastrous for not only the US, but for the world. If you haven’t noticed the radical Islamists are increasing in number and threaten the world over. This isn’t the US fault, on the whole, it is because of freedom and it’s beauties, and it’s costs.

Jim, have you ever served in the military? I grew up an Air Force brat and served a stint in the Air Force. I’ve seen the caskets at Dover, I’ve seen families destroyed because their fathers were killed in Viet Nam, but, I’ve also seen the great amount of work the Lord has done through those who serve and that work that is done the world over. I didn’t see the aggression or imperialism. on the contrary, I saw people help those in other countries better their way of life with peace and safety. That’s what I saw.

“It’s essential to build a movement on unruliness….whatever that may be?” This man is dangerous, but as long as he smiles as he says it everyone just nods their heads and agrees. Good grief we can’t even get all American’s to remember what principles freedom is based on, let alone the whole world.

“It’s essential to build a movement on unruliness….whatever that may be?” This man is dangerous, but as long as he smiles as he says it everyone just nods their heads and agrees. Good grief we can’t even get all American’s to remember what principles freedom is based on, let alone the whole world.

Wow, that’s quite a chilling video A.S. Thanks for posting it.

Here is “Dr” Ayers’ admittance that he ghost-wrote Barack Obama’s biography.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfIZDYm0a54

Here is the out of print, suppressed early 70′s “manifesto” co-authored by him.

http://www.zombietime.com/prairie_fire/

Ayers certainly have a Lenin-Stalin complex.