Comments on: BYU drops Goodlad’s NNER

By: Bonnie Pence

Bonnie Pence — Thu, 15 Jul 2010 22:58:26 +0000

Lewis: Why is it so important to you to badmouth Oak? Charging him with pride and presumptiousness? I have never seen it in Oak, his writings or in talking to him. He is doing a great service to parents and children in Utah.

I am grateful Oak, for what you are doing.

I'm also grateful that BYU, hopefully, is disassociating themselves from Goodlad and his doctrine.

By: Darwinstarks

Darwinstarks — Tue, 06 Jul 2010 07:40:56 +0000

Oak, just want to say “keep up the pressure of truth”. Convincing a mob drunk on socialism is not going to be an easy task. I commend you for emulating our founding fathers in your convictions and love of country & constitution.

By: Darwinstarks

Darwinstarks — Tue, 06 Jul 2010 01:40:56 +0000

By: lewisbarnavelt

lewisbarnavelt — Mon, 05 Jul 2010 16:48:13 +0000

Yes, I did say that if BYU drops the program I would be a believer, but they dropped the program without dropping their support for Goodlad--a development that I did not anticipate, and from the sound of it, something you didn't see coming either. You and BYU still differ on this issue, and because I believe that BYU is closer to God than you, I will side with BYU in the meantime.

You were wrong in presuming that BYU dropped their program because of your efforts as I quoted in my last comment, yet you still cannot admit that you were wrong for thinking BYU jumped because you said so. Was that quote from a previous article, because it sure sounds like a reaction to BYU dropping NNER?

I'm not trying to rub salt in a wound but bringing up valid points that are not usually brought up when people think in a like-minded manner, and I'm ready to move past this article now as well.

By: Oak Norton

Oak Norton — Mon, 05 Jul 2010 16:30:21 +0000

Lewis, you're too funny. You've been complaining for months that only if BYU drops the NNER would you become a believer and now that they have, you're accusing me of not being able to admit I was wrong? What was I wrong about? Where's my mistake? I would only modify my words based on having a more accurate knowledge of what happened at BYU. I'm not prideful and gloating about it. I'm just happy they did it. Caleb repeated misinformation from a prior article that I feel the federal government is run by the power of God which I corrected above. I'm past this article Lewis, and moving on toward other things. I suggest you do the same.

By: lewisbarnavelt

lewisbarnavelt — Mon, 05 Jul 2010 16:01:56 +0000

Oak, you do have to admit that you didn't handle your interview with Caleb appropriately. Your own pride and presumptuousness ruled your thoughts--a common pitfall of newbie politicians. In the comment section on the Daily Herald, you complain that Caleb interviewed you, then he interviewed BYU, and then did not re-interview you, informing you of what BYU said. My question is: Does he need to call you again? Does he need to hold your hand to allow you to retract previous comments you made? Perhaps you need to not make presumptuous statements in the first place such as: "I knew once we shined the light on John Goodlad that those in the McKay School of Education would see that Goodlad doesn't share our community standards and would take action to separate themselves from him. I would hope the partnership districts will follow suit and that Alpine's board and administration will recognize what [Alpine board member and Norton supporter] Tim Osborn has been trying to tell them for years about [Goodlad]. It's time Goodlad's constructivist math and social democracy nonsense was buried."

You did it to yourself, Oak. You played politics and you got burned. You even try to make a plug for Tim Osborn and his upcoming school board race. So don't blame Caleb for your own misstatements. Admit that you made a mistake and move on. Of course, you have never admitted you are wrong so I doubt you will now.

By: Karl Nunz

Karl Nunz — Mon, 05 Jul 2010 12:32:06 +0000

Thanks Oak for the information you provide us. I trully appreciate this. Please keep it up.

By: Hema

Hema — Mon, 05 Jul 2010 00:24:16 +0000

Oak, Knowledge is power…I want to thank you for providing us with such info and knowledge.

By: Buffy

Buffy — Sat, 03 Jul 2010 13:05:47 +0000

Oak, thanks for taking the time to educate people. I hope you can get some rest soon. :)

By: Oak Norton

Oak Norton — Sat, 03 Jul 2010 03:45:11 +0000

The NNER is an organization John Goodlad started. In 1986 BYU's McKay School of Education became a founding partner. NNER stands for National Network for Educational Renewal. It's basically a place for administrators to become fully indoctrinated in Goodlad's philosophies and then bring it home to share with the rest of the district. It heavily focuses on the “Agenda for Education in a Democracy” (AED) and Alpine School District has 2 national AED “scholars” in the administration and BYU's MSE also has a couple.