Comments on: Capitalism and Democracy are Incompatible Pop Quiz https://www.utahsrepublic.org/capitalism-and-democracy-are-incompatible-pop-quiz/ A Constitutional Right Fri, 21 Oct 2011 04:57:00 +0000 hourly 1 By: Oak Norton https://www.utahsrepublic.org/capitalism-and-democracy-are-incompatible-pop-quiz/comment-page-1/#comment-2774 Fri, 21 Oct 2011 04:57:00 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=1571#comment-2774 In reply to Anonymous.

Assuming you are sincere in wanting an interpretation, here it is.

Sustainability is code language used by the folks at the U.N. bringing us Agenda 21 which is essentially global communism under one world government. They promote a false idea that all the world will collapse under unsustainable conditions unless someone takes charge and runs things. If they have to identify the fight they have, it’s between evil capitalists and good people who “value long-term environmental well-being” because obviously the capitalists want to kill people and poison the water supply. They identify that the only way to do this is deliberative democracy, which they then point out must be done in a “collective manner” meaning direct Democracy, the will of the people, the majority, must be used to overcome all the capitalists. 

We see this today in the Occupy Wall Street movement. They are useful idiots protesting for things they can’t comprehend. Their list of demands which they just produced includes free university education and free housing for people. They are communists. They want a total redistribution of wealth. They call corporations evil all the while using their capitalist made cameras, smartphones, and ipods in total hypocrisy.

Now lest you think I’m ignoring the evils of some capitalists, I’m not. Capitalism holds choice as supreme. However, some people choose to do evil with their choices by engaging in immoral behavior and commerce. However, to say capitalism is evil is like saying agency is evil. People use agency for good and evil. That doesn’t make agency evil. 

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By: Oak Norton https://www.utahsrepublic.org/capitalism-and-democracy-are-incompatible-pop-quiz/comment-page-1/#comment-2773 Fri, 21 Oct 2011 04:46:00 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=1571#comment-2773 In reply to Anonymous.

Actually, the word democratic is not a code word for communism. The communists have said for since Marx that democracy was the path to communism. Direct democracy as in majoritarianism.

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By: Oak Norton https://www.utahsrepublic.org/capitalism-and-democracy-are-incompatible-pop-quiz/comment-page-1/#comment-2772 Fri, 21 Oct 2011 04:44:00 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=1571#comment-2772 In reply to Anonymous.

TKC, if you were unaware, the word democracy has acquired a dual meaning even in the dictionary and it contradicts itself. On the one hand, it means majoritarianism and mobocracy which is most easily seen in the Occupy Wall Street movement which is being funded by George Soros (to answer your prior question). I’ve actually got a post I’ll be doing in the next few days more clearly explaining why Soros and the communists use democracy to advance their cause so be sure to stop back soon. :)  

On the other hand of democracy is the modern meaning which parallels a republic in meaning. A few years ago when I saw the sign Alpine School District hung in their teacher’s building (“Enculturating the young into a social and political democracy”) I felt disturbed by it but not to the point of action. It was only when I learned their agenda through John Goodlad and what he stood for that I started taking action against it. 

You can see a cool graph showing the evolution of the word use of republic and democracy here:
https://www.utahsrepublic.org/fascinating-republic-vs-democracy-graph/

The progressives of the early 1900’s knew that they needed to change the dialog and make democracy a positive word and common in society. You can read more about that here:
https://www.utahsrepublic.org/get-educated/5000-year-leap/As for this particular quote from Reagan, Thomas Jefferson also extolled the virtues of democracy though he was speaking of it as the process of electing representatives and not a form of government. Reagan can be forgiven for his calling us a democracy because the word use has changed, he wasn’t in favor of  true Democracy as a form of government, and he called us a republic in other statements such as his first state of the union address (https://www.juntosociety.com/hist_speeches/rr1sou.html). It’s just proof that the word democracy isn’t very precise and when we speak of something like our form of government we should use a precise word, the one that’s in the constitution (article 4, section 4), which is republican government.

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By: Anonymous https://www.utahsrepublic.org/capitalism-and-democracy-are-incompatible-pop-quiz/comment-page-1/#comment-2770 Fri, 21 Oct 2011 03:34:00 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=1571#comment-2770 Oak, you forgot this quote.  Guess who said it?

“Democracy is worth dying for, because it’s the most deeply honorable form of government ever devised by man.”

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By: Anonymous https://www.utahsrepublic.org/capitalism-and-democracy-are-incompatible-pop-quiz/comment-page-1/#comment-2769 Fri, 21 Oct 2011 03:31:00 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=1571#comment-2769 So exactly how does George Soros intend to make us a direct democracy?  

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By: Anonymous https://www.utahsrepublic.org/capitalism-and-democracy-are-incompatible-pop-quiz/comment-page-1/#comment-2768 Fri, 21 Oct 2011 03:28:00 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=1571#comment-2768 In reply to Doreen G. Laird.

Doreen, we are not a “democratic republic” but a Constitutional Compound Republic.  The word “democratic” is a code word for “communism.”

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By: Anonymous https://www.utahsrepublic.org/capitalism-and-democracy-are-incompatible-pop-quiz/comment-page-1/#comment-2767 Fri, 21 Oct 2011 03:27:00 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=1571#comment-2767 Oak, what do you interpret this to mean? 

“If the question of sustainability comes down to a struggle between
those who value short-term economic gain [corporations/capitalists] and
those who value long-term environmental well-being, then engaging
in deliberative democracy…may be the only way to grapple with and
overcome this issue in a collective manner.”

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By: Oak Norton https://www.utahsrepublic.org/capitalism-and-democracy-are-incompatible-pop-quiz/comment-page-1/#comment-2729 Sun, 09 Oct 2011 01:33:00 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=1571#comment-2729 In reply to Travis.

So true Travis. They are emboldened as they see the apathy of society.

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By: Doreen G. Laird https://www.utahsrepublic.org/capitalism-and-democracy-are-incompatible-pop-quiz/comment-page-1/#comment-2728 Sat, 08 Oct 2011 15:28:00 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=1571#comment-2728 Our Founding Fathers carefully orchestrated our democratic republic  so we would have the tools to prosper as a people overcome what we are now facing.  We need to call upon our faith in God Who the Founding Fathers called upon to accomplish their great work.  As we read our history this becomes obvious.  We must read, study and ponder our scriptures, history and current events.  Once we are informed we must pray for His guidance so Heavenly Father can use us as the tool He needs in our war against Lucifer.  The fact that we are on earth with the power of mortality (which power Lucifer will never have) means we are here as soldiers in His (Heavenly Father’s) mighty army.

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By: Travis https://www.utahsrepublic.org/capitalism-and-democracy-are-incompatible-pop-quiz/comment-page-1/#comment-2727 Sat, 08 Oct 2011 14:38:00 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=1571#comment-2727 What is scary is that we have come to a point in our society where people feel comfortable saying this out load and not expect to suffer political consequences as a result.  Time for these people to go.

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