Comments on: Dealing with Korihor https://www.utahsrepublic.org/dealing-with-korihor/ A Constitutional Right Mon, 20 Oct 2014 03:38:04 +0000 hourly 1 By: Oak Norton https://www.utahsrepublic.org/dealing-with-korihor/comment-page-1/#comment-78608 Mon, 20 Oct 2014 03:38:04 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=583#comment-78608 In reply to Pops.

Pops, good question. Sometimes it is sometimes hard to tell. I’m also happy to engage in a debate of ideas and answer questions as I think it’s useful for people to see that. However, we should as a society recognize falsehoods and shun them and not listen to those people engaged in destructive philosophies.

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By: Oak Norton https://www.utahsrepublic.org/dealing-with-korihor/comment-page-1/#comment-78596 Mon, 20 Oct 2014 02:16:36 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=583#comment-78596 David, I just finished watching a most interesting video that was produced by BYUtv called “New Day for the Book of Mormon” which features non-Mormon scholars and ministers who have studied the Book of Mormon and closely examined it and found it to be completely Christ centered. I encourage you to watch it and then actually read the Book of Mormon. It might just change your life. :)
https://www.byutv.org/watch/90be2679-e6eb-4039-afa1-fee5477b0c20/new-day-for-the-book-of-mormon-new-day-for-the-book-of-mormon#ooid=02bDh2cDru3biGONkdL8D0nZt_gcAX8q
If you would like a free copy of the Book of Mormon, you can go to this page and request one.
https://www.mormon.org/free-book-of-mormon

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By: Pops https://www.utahsrepublic.org/dealing-with-korihor/comment-page-1/#comment-78595 Mon, 20 Oct 2014 02:14:58 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=583#comment-78595 “We must not let their lies be entertained here.”

So the obvious question is, why then do you entertain their lies here? If I were running this blog, I would screen comments and simply not post comments from Korihors. Granted, it is sometimes difficult to tell a sincere query from those seeking contention and the purveyors of cognitive dissonance, but some of the comments above are pretty easily screened.

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By: Oak Norton https://www.utahsrepublic.org/dealing-with-korihor/comment-page-1/#comment-78559 Sun, 19 Oct 2014 16:43:02 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=583#comment-78559 In reply to David Taylor.

David, thanks for commenting. Have you ever read the Book of Mormon? It’s all about Christ and his visit to the America’s after his resurrection. In fact, here’s a link to a Southern Baptist preacher who took the time to read the Book of Mormon and loves the Christ-centered messages it contains.
https://www.centerplace.org/library/bofm/baptistversionofbofm.htm
Also, just this week, I found this letter from a former-Lutheran turned atheist who took the time to start reading the Book of Mormon and noted that all Christians should read the book. His short letter is here:
https://www.dearmissmormon.com/2014/10/an-atheists-response-to-first-31-pages.html
I certainly don’t know why would you say “the object of LDS worship is not a suitable support because it is a distinctively non Christian being.” We worship God the Father in the name of His Son Jesus Christ. We believe that we are saved through the grace of Christ. We use the Bible and Book of Mormon as companion volumes of scripture that both testify of Christ. Unless you’ve read the Book of Mormon and only believe what others say about it, you are liable to not have an accurate representation of our belief in Christ.

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By: jay beacham https://www.utahsrepublic.org/dealing-with-korihor/comment-page-1/#comment-78557 Sun, 19 Oct 2014 16:29:33 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=583#comment-78557 Very well said.

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By: David Taylor https://www.utahsrepublic.org/dealing-with-korihor/comment-page-1/#comment-78556 Sun, 19 Oct 2014 16:02:02 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=583#comment-78556 By describing the LORD JESUS CHRIST as the lord of this land, everything that proceeds is obviously designed for Mormon ears. Dear Christians, read the above and take note of the subtlety of the LDS bent, attempting to achieve moral standing by piggybacking upon noble themes. The Mormon and Christian perspectives have a superficial resemblance, but the object of LDS worship is not a suitable support because it is a distinctively non Christian being, separate and apart from any Judeo Christian concept of deity whatsoever.

If the Book of Mormon contains a set of the Ten Commandments for your edification, quietly thank the Mormons for it and move on, despite the fact that they themselves do not understand who God is, was and ever will be. Perhaps this will change. Pray that it be so.

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By: Oak Norton https://www.utahsrepublic.org/dealing-with-korihor/comment-page-1/#comment-739 Fri, 09 Jul 2010 09:13:35 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=583#comment-739 Lewis, you should seriously consider applying for a job with the press. :) You'd be just as accurate. I'm a pretty open book if you haven't been able to tell from my websites. I don't have much of a “hidden” agenda since I write so openly about things.

1) You're labeling me “ultra-conservative” and at the same time you're upset that I labeled Goodlad a Korihor. Are you throwing stones in a glass house??? I'm in favor of putting the word Republic back into our state standards and having our school district focus on solid research-backed academics so now I'm “ultra-conservative.” Can you prove that? Extra points if you use the Book of Mormon to do it. :)
2) I'm in favor of our children reading the Constitution and other founding documents. How exactly is that an intolerant bias?
3) This article specifically says it's for an LDS audience. Why on earth should I use the Koran or Torah? The fact that I didn't use the Bible in this article is pointless since I'm sharing a story *from* the Book of Mormon. If my article dealt with a Biblical story, I would have used the Bible.
4) Where on earth you get the idea that I'm trying to turn our public schools into having an LDS bend is beyond me. I've never advocated that nor do I harbor such thoughts in my mind or heart. I would, however, be in favor of doing what our founders suggested and that is teaching the Bible for its moral values, not doctrine.

Seriously Lewis, why do you keep trying to read my mind? It's not one of your better skills. ;) My wife even has a tough time with it and she's a lot closer to me than you are. Am I just an enigma to you or something? Some type of puzzle to figure out? If you have a question, just ask it.

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By: lewisbarnavelt https://www.utahsrepublic.org/dealing-with-korihor/comment-page-1/#comment-736 Fri, 09 Jul 2010 02:36:23 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=583#comment-736 From reading all of these posts and the Korihor posting by Mr. Norton, there is a desire to turn our public schools into Ultra-conservative institutions of learning with a very LDS bent. I wonder how that will serve the patrons and students of North Utah County who are not LDS and who are not ultra-conservative? This isn't just about ASD dropping the words “enculturate” and “democracy” from the ASD motto, but about creating a vacuum that will be filled by ultra-conservative ideas that are just as biased and intolerant as liberal biases. Oak, when you use LDS scripture to justify your changes to ASD and thereby judging Goodlad and friends as Korihors, you are making it obvious that you wish to see LDS theology incorporated into the public school system. It might be helpful to use the Bible, Koran, or Torah from time to time instead of just the Book of Mormon. You might pick up more Christian followers if you do rather than alienate them. Ben Franklin would agree because he was a man who included all religions and made great strides to include them as part of America.

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By: Jon F https://www.utahsrepublic.org/dealing-with-korihor/comment-page-1/#comment-721 Tue, 06 Jul 2010 19:17:44 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=583#comment-721 Terry, when you say that we “don't live in a theocracy which allows you to bind and present people before the local spiritual and legislative leaders for banishment them from their communities for Constitutionally protected free speech you simply disagree with” you are not taking into consideration that they were a republic and lived by the law. One law was that you could not lie. as in Alma 1:17 “Nevertheless, they durst not lie, if it were known, for fear of the law, for liars were PUNISHED; therefore they pretended to preach according to their belief; and now the law could have no power on any man for his belief.” Since it was illegal to lie, he was bound and taken to the officials to be judged according to the law. When he pretended to say it was his belief, then the charges were obviously dropped and he was allowed to go free. Korihor's problem was that he contended with the power of God… which is ALWAYS a BAD idea.

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By: Jon F https://www.utahsrepublic.org/dealing-with-korihor/comment-page-1/#comment-682 Tue, 06 Jul 2010 13:17:44 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=583#comment-682 Terry, when you say that we “don't live in a theocracy which allows you to bind and present people before the local spiritual and legislative leaders for banishment them from their communities for Constitutionally protected free speech you simply disagree with” you are not taking into consideration that they were a republic and lived by the law. One law was that you could not lie. as in Alma 1:17 “Nevertheless, they durst not lie, if it were known, for fear of the law, for liars were PUNISHED; therefore they pretended to preach according to their belief; and now the law could have no power on any man for his belief.” Since it was illegal to lie, he was bound and taken to the officials to be judged according to the law. When he pretended to say it was his belief, then the charges were obviously dropped and he was allowed to go free. Korihor's problem was that he contended with the power of God… which is ALWAYS a BAD idea.

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