Comments on: Democratic Republic or Constitutional Republic https://www.utahsrepublic.org/democratic-republic-or-constitutional-republic/ A Constitutional Right Thu, 19 Mar 2015 01:48:13 +0000 hourly 1 By: A Sovereign https://www.utahsrepublic.org/democratic-republic-or-constitutional-republic/comment-page-1/#comment-97862 Thu, 19 Mar 2015 01:48:13 +0000 http://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=1853#comment-97862 True this:Republic v Democracy
http://1215.org/lawnotes/lawnotes/repvsdem.htm

Citizen v People
http://1215.org/lawnotes/lawnotes/pvc.htm

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By: Douglas https://www.utahsrepublic.org/democratic-republic-or-constitutional-republic/comment-page-1/#comment-5728 Sun, 27 Apr 2014 02:36:55 +0000 http://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=1853#comment-5728 After having a heated discussion with a “History” major today, I became so aggravated that I read the entire Constitution, Declaration and Bill of Rights, just to see if I could find the word “Democracy” even once. I had been taught years ago by my father that our founding fathers intentionally did not use the “D” word as they knew the problems that entailed. I have always taught my children growing up, that we are a Constitutional Republic. They have had to correct their teachers many times growing up. It is sad that our educators need to be corrected on such a basic part of political history.
Back to my heated discussion today… I was so happy to find your post that I am going to print it and hand it to this so-called History expert. I am not a very articulate person and your post will hopefully help this person to, at the very least, expand his historical/political “expertise”.

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By: Dale Babbitt https://www.utahsrepublic.org/democratic-republic-or-constitutional-republic/comment-page-1/#comment-3304 Fri, 20 Dec 2013 02:52:32 +0000 http://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=1853#comment-3304 • Some 200+ years ago in ‘The Decline and Fall of the Athenian Republic’, Alexander Fraser Taylor wrote that a Democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the Public Treasury and from that moment on will vote for the candidates promising the most benefit. Democracies always collapse over loose fiscal policy.
• In ‘American Government, the Republic in Action’, 1986, Publishers, Harcourt-Brace-Jovanovich, author Robert Hardgrave Jr. prefaces his work by the following, “…Why study American government? The founders of the Republic believed that the preservation of liberty depends upon citizen participation. Active participation requires an understanding of government and its forms, functions, and processes. James Madison, the Father of the Constitution, wrote that, ‘a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives.’…’The qualifications of self-government are not innate’, Thomas Jefferson once wrote, ‘They are the result of habit and long training.”
• In, ‘The Federalist, No. 39’ we read, “What, then, are the distinctive characters of the republican form?…[W]e may define a republic to be…a government which derives all its powers directly or indirectly from the great body of the people, and is administered by persons holding their offices for a limited period, or during good behavior. It is essential to such a government that it be derived from the great body of the society, not from [a small portion] or a favored class…; otherwise a handful of tyrannical nobles… [Might call themselves republicans]. …”On comparing the Constitution planned by the convention… we perceived at once that it [conforms to the definition of a republic]. …Could any further proof be required of the republican complexion of this system, the most decisive one might be found in its absolute prohibition of titles of nobility…and in its express guaranty of the republican form to each [state].”
• Article IV section 4a states, “The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government.”
• In our pledge of allegiance to the flag we state, “…and to the Republic for which it stands…”
• According to the War Department Training Manual #2000-25, Washington, Nov. 30, 1928 it states (TM 2000-25 118-120) – “DEMOCRACY—A government of the masses with authority derived through mass meetings or any other form of direct expression. Results in mobocracy…Attitude toward property is communistic…Attitude toward law is that the will of the majority shall regulate, whether it is based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences. Results in demagogism, license, agitation, discontent, anarchy. REPUBLIC—Authority is derived through the election by the people of the public officials best fitted to represent them. Attitude toward property is respect for laws and individual rights, and a sensible economic procedure. Attitude toward law is the administration of justice in accord with fixed principles and established evidence, with a strict regard to consequences. A great number of citizens and extent of territory may be brought within its compass. Avoids the dangerous extreme of either tyranny or mobocracy. Results in statesmanship, liberty, reason, justice, contentment, and progress. (To Seduce a Nation, Reverend Lindsey Williams, pamphlet)
• Outside Philadelphia’s Constitution Hall someone in the crowd asked Benjamin Franklin: “Sir, what has been done? What will we have?” Franklin Replied, “We have given you a republic, if you can keep it.” (ibid, p.16)
• James Madison stated, “Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths…A Republic, by which I mean a government in which the scheme of representation takes place, opens a different prospect and promises the cure for which we are seeking.” (The Federalist Papers, No. 10, p. 81)
• In 1905 about 100 people met in New York and organized what they called the Intercollegiate Socialist Society (ISS)… In time, the co-directors of the movement became Harry W. Laidler and Norman Thomas. Laidler explained that the ISS was set up to ‘Throw light on the world-wide movement of Industrial Democracy known as socialism.” (The New York Times, Jan. 28, 1919)

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By: Richard Whaley https://www.utahsrepublic.org/democratic-republic-or-constitutional-republic/comment-page-1/#comment-3117 Thu, 31 Oct 2013 15:44:00 +0000 http://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=1853#comment-3117 Yes, that is accurate and is what we were taught in school back in the day. It is ridiculous and sad how our current educational system no longer teaches the fundamentals of our founding as a nation or the principles our Founders used. And, even worse, most do not even know they are teaching falsehoods. It is equally sad how often we hear the media refer to us as a democracy and our politicians do exactly the same, too. I can only assume they really do NOT know what a democracy is or why it is a “danger” to the people and has been throughout history. But, then, I am a oldie raised in California during the 50s and 60s and saw the disaster that has come to us with the likes of Common Core and Obamaites.

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By: Lowell Nelson https://www.utahsrepublic.org/democratic-republic-or-constitutional-republic/comment-page-1/#comment-3116 Mon, 28 Oct 2013 17:10:00 +0000 http://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=1853#comment-3116 Great post, Oak. Thank you for sharing Tim’s thinking and research. Interesting that “Count My Vote” is yet another effort designed to transform Utah into a democracy. We must expose democracy for the evil it is, and tenaciously defend our caucus/convention system. Lowell.

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