Comments on: Full Day Kindergarten & Preschool? I Don’t Think So https://www.utahsrepublic.org/full-day-kindergarten-preschool-i-dont-think-so/ A Constitutional Right Tue, 18 Jan 2011 18:02:00 +0000 hourly 1 By: Dougc https://www.utahsrepublic.org/full-day-kindergarten-preschool-i-dont-think-so/comment-page-1/#comment-2044 Tue, 18 Jan 2011 18:02:00 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=1035#comment-2044 In reply to lovingmomof3.

lovingmomof3: I’m not sure who you are referring to when you talk about people judging others’ decisions. You may not have been referring to me.

Just in case, I would like to be clear:

– My opinion is that most children are better served having their mother (or father, or parents) be their full-time teacher until they are at least 8 years old. This opinion of mine comes from many sources and decades of study, complete with loads of anecdotal evidence. It is only my opinion, not a judgment of anyone who believes differently.

– My statement here and in other posts above is that every child has different needs, and their parents are the best judge of what is best for that child. If a parent decides that all-day kindergarten is best for their child, then I do not judge them, nor stand in their way. That parent is probably right.

– My opinion is that most parents who want schools to be changed to full-time kindergarten are doing so because they want a tax-paid babysitter for their children. This was obviously not the case with you, but you are an obvious exception. This opinion comes from observation, reading, and anecdotal evidence.

– Fortunately for us all, in Utah we can choose whatever education we want for our children. If our neighborhood school has full-day kindergarten, we can choose to keep our kids home. If our neighborhood does not offer full-time kindergarten, we can pay a private school to provide it. All options are available now, I see no need to change anything.

– I especially disagree with full-day kindergarten in public schools based on my comments above. Parents who want it can pay for it themselves, please do not tax everyone to meet the needs of a few. (that same comment can be used for public school in general. I’m willing to have *that* discussion too, but it’s a long one, and not exactly the same)

If you disagree with any of the above, please reply and let me know, I would love to discuss it.

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By: lovingmomof3 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/full-day-kindergarten-preschool-i-dont-think-so/comment-page-1/#comment-2009 Thu, 13 Jan 2011 22:26:00 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=1035#comment-2009 Its amazing to me that anyone can judge anyone elses decision. I’m a stay at home mom, my kids went to 2 morning a week prek, then 3 morning, then all day kindergarten. I’m sad that my last one will start next year, but he longs for his siblings and is excited to go! i think it all depends on your kids and what you decide to do. I would never pass judgement on what is best for someone elses kid. Likewise I volunteer in their classes a couple times a week and don’t see any children having issues of not wanting to be there or falling asleep. I don’t think the picture is as bad as you’re all painting it to be. And if it is, rest well that you made the best decision for you and your family.

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By: Dougc https://www.utahsrepublic.org/full-day-kindergarten-preschool-i-dont-think-so/comment-page-1/#comment-1992 Wed, 12 Jan 2011 14:43:00 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=1035#comment-1992 Great comments everyone, I love it.

Larrysjensen: Your comments about the health of the family were great. Thank you.

Rick: I have had the same experience. Many times you can teach children a lot through their play, or just reading to them every day.

Jon: I totally agree. Different needs for different children. Some may thrive and benefit with all-day kindergarten, most will not. It is good that parents like you understand that the needs of each individual child is more important than what the governor or board of education believes is best for our children. Public schools aim for the highest probabilities, not the individual child. It must be that way, and it is what it is.

Celestealbright: It’s all about educating the parents. Most parents do not know they have certain choices. Any parent in Utah can choose to keep their children home for kindergarten, or first grade, or any grade. I applaud the laws we have in Utah that empower parents to be in charge of their child’s education. We just need to help the parents understand what the rules are and how to use them effectively. You are right, even if all-day kindergarten is made mandatory, you can still choose to keep your child home. If we could get the funding to follow the child, it would make perfect sense. The unions and people in power of our educational systems don’t want to do what makes sense for families and children, but what makes sense to keep themselves in power. I hope we see that law someday too.

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By: Celestealbright https://www.utahsrepublic.org/full-day-kindergarten-preschool-i-dont-think-so/comment-page-1/#comment-1991 Tue, 11 Jan 2011 02:25:00 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=1035#comment-1991 In response to the part of the article where the parents protested the all-day kindergarten and then put their crying child on a bus: I don’t understand why the parents didn’t just keep their children at home or send them for a few hours and take them out.

I mean, do we really HAVE to do what the district dictates? I will protest up and down and to the ends of the Earth against all-day Kindergarten (Pre-school is just a laugh!). BUT whatever their decisions are they do not have to dictate my decisions!

In the end, my sole concern is for my child. I will not have someone else telling me that I have no choice on what to do for my child’s education. We do have a lot of choices in Utah but there are many more we could have.

One piece of legislation is what would help solve our dilemmas with choices: Some call it Backpack Education, when the funding follows the child. If the funding follows the children, whatever our choices for educating them will be our own and not the district’s.

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By: Grammy https://www.utahsrepublic.org/full-day-kindergarten-preschool-i-dont-think-so/comment-page-1/#comment-1988 Mon, 10 Jan 2011 16:56:00 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=1035#comment-1988 In Ohio, they have all day Kindergarten. When my granddaughter went to public school she was in Kindergarten all day. It was horrific!! From 3 until 5, she was a bear. I could not put her down for a nap because it was too late in the day and she would not be sleepy at 8:00. Five year olds do not comprehend anything after 1:00. To me it is wasted time. Parents should have a choice of half day when my children were young. They went in the morning, some parents chose the afternoon. That was much better.

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By: Rland23 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/full-day-kindergarten-preschool-i-dont-think-so/comment-page-1/#comment-1987 Mon, 10 Jan 2011 03:13:00 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=1035#comment-1987 I know the best place for our chlldren is in the home. Taking them out of the home at an early age will cause more problems than it will solve. Teachers do not love our children the way we love our children. If we want to keep our freedoms we need to sacrifice for our children and spend time with them. Goverment wants more control of our families and this is one way they can get to our children without our influence if they are away at school. Lets keep our children at home as long as we can.

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By: Jo https://www.utahsrepublic.org/full-day-kindergarten-preschool-i-dont-think-so/comment-page-1/#comment-1986 Sun, 09 Jan 2011 20:45:00 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=1035#comment-1986 Cognitive dissonance? I always have called it hypocrisy.
I am alarmed at the number of parents I talk to who have no sense of their responsibility for the education, manners or morals of their own children, and I might add often express that they do not even like being around them very much. I have never understood the sentiment of those who could hardly wait for school to begin so they could be rid of their children. Many have also told me that they know ‘education’ their children are receiving is substandard, including the social atmosphere, but they intend to do nothing about it. We are and will have a terrible judgment both in the lives of the children and in the future of the nation.

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By: Rick https://www.utahsrepublic.org/full-day-kindergarten-preschool-i-dont-think-so/comment-page-1/#comment-1985 Sun, 09 Jan 2011 17:30:00 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=1035#comment-1985 If they really want to give kids an early start, they should do 2 minutes of kindergarten each day–at home. We taught our first 4 kids to read fairly well by around age 4 in literally 2 minutes or less per day. The kids hardly even noticed we were teaching them. Obviously, all day kindergarten is nothing more than a scheme to take kids and money away from families. Governor Herbert is supporting it.

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By: Jon https://www.utahsrepublic.org/full-day-kindergarten-preschool-i-dont-think-so/comment-page-1/#comment-1984 Sun, 09 Jan 2011 03:24:00 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=1035#comment-1984 I am constantly amazed by LDS mothers who make the decision to put their 5-year-old children (and younger) in any form of “schooling” or play group simply because they want more personal time. My wife and I have worked hard so that she can be at home. The decisions we have made to put our children into preschool and/or playgroup have been made solely on the basis of the individual child: Are they wanting the social interaction? Are they fully enjoying the time? Is the time spent away from home meeting their needs? Our 3 1/2 year-old daughter loves going to preschool. She loves being with her little friends. But, it is only three days a week. Each session is 1/2 day and it is not compulsory. She only goes when she wants to go.

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By: Buffy Snell https://www.utahsrepublic.org/full-day-kindergarten-preschool-i-dont-think-so/comment-page-1/#comment-1983 Sat, 08 Jan 2011 22:20:00 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=1035#comment-1983 Cognitive Dissonance. I’ve never heard of that before, but I’m glad to know there is a name for it. I am continually surprised by people’s ability to believe conflicting things. As a society, we’ve surely come to cherish our own deceptions.

I’ve always been so annoyed that kindergarten is only half-day, but you’ve actually changed my mind about that. Thank you for the clarity.

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