Comments on: John Burton Alpine School District Board Candidate https://www.utahsrepublic.org/john-burton-alpine-school-district-board-candidate/ A Constitutional Right Fri, 03 Sep 2010 04:08:00 +0000 hourly 1 By: Oak Norton https://www.utahsrepublic.org/john-burton-alpine-school-district-board-candidate/comment-page-1/#comment-1054 Fri, 03 Sep 2010 04:08:00 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=716#comment-1054 It appears we have a case-in-point that whether or not John would interfere with the hiring process, sometimes political favors just “happen” because you have an inherent conflict of interest. Check out this news about Vern Henshaw’s son getting hired over *qualified* teachers when he was not.
https://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/home/50212212-76/police-jail-job-officer.html.csp

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By: Guest https://www.utahsrepublic.org/john-burton-alpine-school-district-board-candidate/comment-page-1/#comment-983 Sun, 29 Aug 2010 11:37:35 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=716#comment-983 I'm a little behind on this thread – but it seems that this situation is rather similar to that of board member Guy Fugal's company getting a lucrative contract with the district while he is a sitting board member. Now, I've been told that there are processes in place that decide who wins a contract that shield him from having anything to do with whether or not his company is selected. My response to that is – yeah right! Call me a skeptic, but sometimes avoiding the look of impropriety is just as important as not acting improperly.

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By: Oak Norton https://www.utahsrepublic.org/john-burton-alpine-school-district-board-candidate/comment-page-1/#comment-975 Wed, 25 Aug 2010 09:52:42 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=716#comment-975 Thanks for asking Kyle. I can't say it's shocking that both ASD and UVU see no conflicts of interest for John since his placement on the board benefits both establishments in ways they desire.

UVU benefits by having an ASD board member working at UVU in their teacher prep program which gives them prominence within ASD and gives principals reasons to hire UVU's students without direct pressure from John. “Oh, is this one of the students you reviewed?” I'm sure there's no potential for abuse because no district employee plays political games for advancement. ;) John doesn't need to attempt to “circumvent that process” as he states. It's the fact that the potential for abuse exists that his running creates a dilemma.

ASD benefits because they get one of their own back that loved Investigations math. The status quo can be maintained without a threat to the constructivist agenda.

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By: Kyle Clouse https://www.utahsrepublic.org/john-burton-alpine-school-district-board-candidate/comment-page-1/#comment-974 Wed, 25 Aug 2010 00:15:27 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=716#comment-974 I emailed John and asked him if he plans to retire from UVU if he is elected. Here is his response: 08/24/10

Hi Kyle,

It appears that you have read Mr. Norton’s “Part II: John Burton’s Serious Ethical Dilemma.”

No, there is no conflict of interest and I will not resign my position at UVU if elected to the Alpine School District Board of Education.

I would never put pressure on any administrator to hire any candidate from UVU. My position here at the university does not depend upon how many prospective teachers I can place in Alpine or any other district.

On Mr. Norton’s website, he is simply speculating what might happen. I totally disagree with his speculation.

There is an established process in place for recommending and hiring teachers in the district. Principals interview and select the candidates they want for teaching positions at their schools. They make their recommendations to the Administrator of Human Resources. The Administrator of Human Resources takes these recommendations to the Superintendent who shares them with the board members and asks for their approval of the recommendations. As a board member I would never attempt to circumvent that process.

I have checked with both Alpine School District and Utah Valley University and neither entity sees any conflict of interest whatsoever!

Thanks for your email. Have a nice day.

John

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By: Loni https://www.utahsrepublic.org/john-burton-alpine-school-district-board-candidate/comment-page-1/#comment-970 Mon, 23 Aug 2010 23:25:34 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=716#comment-970 Let me first say that I don't know John Burton and I don't live in ASD, so I have nothing to gain or lose by commenting. But, it seems to me that Mr. Burton does have a possible defense on one of those issues. It is my understanding that plans and decisions are made concerning curriculum, etc. for the following year, during the previous year. So if fuzzy math was adopted and implemented by ASD the same year (2001) that Mr. Burton transfered to the district level, then it seems to me that that decision was made in his absence and without his input. He would merely be beneficiary of a plan created by others for him to run.

In his error, however, if he disagreed with the plan, a meeting could have been called to alter the plan before implementation and it appears to me that that was not done. According to your report, he also did sign his support of it. That tells me that he actually does support the program, which contradicts his campaign claims, or he may very well be opposed to it, but did not read it before he signed his approval of it, which is a serious concern to consider.

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By: Landersonmj https://www.utahsrepublic.org/john-burton-alpine-school-district-board-candidate/comment-page-1/#comment-968 Mon, 23 Aug 2010 08:52:00 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=716#comment-968 The truth usually always surfaces.
I just hope the public in American Fork are aware of this situation. And cast a vote for Tim Osborn….I really like Tim Osborn and think he has done a good job for the ASD. I live in Saratoga Springs, not in Am F district…….good luck.
Keep up the good fight, Oak. If John Burton will not attend a “meet and greet” school board meeting, I'd say that was a big problem for him.
I attended one such meeting in Am Fork, back when the senator candidates, Mike Lee and Tim Bridgewater met……….he was not at that meeting either. But the other Am Fork school board candidates were there; Tim and one other one…??

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By: Oak Norton https://www.utahsrepublic.org/john-burton-alpine-school-district-board-candidate/comment-page-1/#comment-961 Mon, 23 Aug 2010 05:34:37 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=716#comment-961 Great question Lewis. I think this will open up an opportunity for some additional research, but the basic difference is CRT (criterion reference test) scores are a measurement of where the students are at at a given point in time. AYP is not a test but levels set by the state as to what “adequate yearly progress” levels should be. States can set their own AYP levels and it varies wildly. This Wikipedia entry (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adequate_Yearly_Pr…) shows how Illinois set their AYP and also mentions how some states like Missouri lowered their standards to ensure students would pass AYP. I don't know how Utah sets their standards.

The CRT scores in the link I gave you above just give the horror story as to what happened in the years immediately following the implementation of Investigations math in 2001. When I presented those graphs and data to the school board in 2005 they just tossed them in the “round file” and it took a couple more years of major effort to get rid of the program (sort of) after a lot of negative press and the legislature helping to raise state standards. The last few years they teach the times tables, long division, and division by fractions, when those were removed from the district for a few straight years. Unbelievable.

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By: Lewis B https://www.utahsrepublic.org/john-burton-alpine-school-district-board-candidate/comment-page-1/#comment-951 Mon, 23 Aug 2010 01:14:09 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=716#comment-951 Thanks for the information, but there is a confusing disconnect that I can't quite figure out. If our students are failing to achieve minimal mastery in math, how is that our schools continue to make AYP every year in mathematics when the threshold for making AYP continues to rise? That data that you are showing should also be reflected in AYP statistics but they are not. Can you explain this.

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By: Oak Norton https://www.utahsrepublic.org/john-burton-alpine-school-district-board-candidate/comment-page-1/#comment-947 Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:33:40 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=716#comment-947 Lewis, I did this analysis back in November 2005 and it shows a 4 year history from when Investigations was put into the district in 2001 through 2004. Results were stunningly negative. The district kept touting how level 4 CRT's (mastery) were going up and completely ignoring they were increasing failure rates at a rapid pace. My analysis and graphs are here:
https://www.oaknorton.com/imathresults26.cfm

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By: Lewis B https://www.utahsrepublic.org/john-burton-alpine-school-district-board-candidate/comment-page-1/#comment-945 Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:17:09 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=716#comment-945 Oak, your campaigning for Tim Osborne will have a negative effect on him. You do not have broad based support in the American Fork community and most residents there will vote against him if they see your name attached to his. While many residents agree with you over investigations math (I agree with you on that point), it is your other foray into politics over the school board motto that has residents concerned over your endorsement of Osborne. Whether you agree with this or not, many residents are beginning to view you as an “in your face” conspiracy nut and that doesn't help Osborne at all. I predict that Osborne will be handily defeated in the upcoming election.

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