Comments on: Mary Mostert Educates ASD Board https://www.utahsrepublic.org/mary-mostert-educates-asd-board/ A Constitutional Right Wed, 05 May 2010 23:37:07 +0000 hourly 1 By: Mary M. https://www.utahsrepublic.org/mary-mostert-educates-asd-board/comment-page-1/#comment-293 Wed, 05 May 2010 23:37:07 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=257#comment-293 It won’t help to go back to school to learn what James Madison’s views on the differences between a democracy and a republic were. Obviously, while that was a major issue in the writing of the U.S. Constitution, the Alpine School District doesn’t seem to know, much less teach, what kind of government the U.S. Constitution created. Besides, it takes a lot less time to simply READ what James Madison wrote on the subject in Federalist Paper No. 10 on the subject. (see: https://www.constitution.org/fed/federa10.htm )

The kind of factious spirit edarrell displays in his comment is the subject of Madison’s Federalist Paper 10. It is entitled “The Utility of the Union as a Safeguard Against Domestic Faction and Insurrection.” Madison states, that a “pure democracy”, that is “a society consisting of a small number of citizens who assemble and administer the government in person can admit of no cure for the mischiefs of faction” and concludes that leads to there being “nothing to check the inducements to sacrifice the weaker party or an obnoxious individual.” Even back in 1787, it appears, obnoxious individuals used the same kind of argument that edarrell used in attempting to convince people they were “right!”

What James Madison said in Federalist Paper 10 about democracy was:

”Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths. Theoretic politicians, who have patronized this species of government, have erroneously supposed that by reducing mankind to a perfect equality in their political rights, they would, at the same time, be perfectly equalized and assimilated in their possessions, their opinions, and their passions.”

It is obvious that President Obama and the Democrats in Congress support democracy. They have passed the Health Bill and have promised other bills designed to limit our liberty, control our thinking and redistribute wealth. As a result, we are seeing a rapid increase in turbulence and contention that is incompatible with our personal security or our rights of property.

Mary Mostert

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By: Mary Mostert https://www.utahsrepublic.org/mary-mostert-educates-asd-board/comment-page-1/#comment-283 Sun, 02 May 2010 06:23:13 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=257#comment-283 Reply to edarrell
James Madison’s View of Democracy
It won’t help to go back to school to learn what James Madison’s views on the differences between a democracy and a republic were. Obviously, while that was a major issue in the writing of the U.S. Constitution, the Alpine School District doesn’t seem to know, much less teach, what kind of government the U.S. Constitution created. Besides, it takes a lot less time to simply READ what James Madison wrote on the subject in Federalist Paper No. 10 on the subject. (see: https://www.constitution.org/fed/federa10.htm )
The kind of factious spirit edarrell displays in his comment is the subject of Madison’s Federalist Paper 10. It is entitled “The Utility of the Union as a Safeguard Against Domestic Faction and Insurrection.” Madison states, that a “pure democracy”, that is “a society consisting of a small number of citizens who assemble and administer the government in person can admit of no cure for the mischiefs of faction” and concludes that leads to there being “nothing to check the inducements to sacrifice the weaker party or an obnoxious individual.” Even back in 1787, it appears, obnoxious individuals used the same kind of argument that edarrell used in attempting to convince people they were “right!”
What James Madison said in Federalist Paper 10 about democracy was:
”Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths. Theoretic politicians, who have patronized this species of government, have erroneously supposed that by reducing mankind to a perfect equality in their political rights, they would, at the same time, be perfectly equalized and assimilated in their possessions, their opinions, and their passions.”
It is obvious that President Obama and the Democrats in Congress support democracy. They have passed the Health Bill and have promised other bills designed to limit our liberty, control our thinking and redistribute wealth. As a result, we are seeing a rapid increase in turbulence and contention that is incompatible with our personal security or our rights of property.
Mary Mostert

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By: edarrell https://www.utahsrepublic.org/mary-mostert-educates-asd-board/comment-page-1/#comment-275 Sun, 02 May 2010 02:45:08 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=257#comment-275 So, then, Mostert does not believe that Madison knew what he was talking about when he named his political party the Democratic Republicans? What sort of a republic does she think we have? Monarchical? Socialist? Soviet?

Then she whines about “sectarian control,” butchering the legal understanding of that phrase (religious), and joining you in your crusade for sectarian control, but demonizing the word “democracy.”

Both Oak and Mary need to go back to school, to study history, government and law.

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By: amberoseinjune https://www.utahsrepublic.org/mary-mostert-educates-asd-board/comment-page-1/#comment-117 Wed, 24 Feb 2010 20:37:00 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=257#comment-117 Well put, and thank you for clearing up the fuzzy understanding of democracy vs. a republic. I hope that ASD can put humility first and listen to facts and reason.

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By: amberoseinjune https://www.utahsrepublic.org/mary-mostert-educates-asd-board/comment-page-1/#comment-46 Wed, 24 Feb 2010 14:37:00 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=257#comment-46 Well put, and thank you for clearing up the fuzzy understanding of democracy vs. a republic. I hope that ASD can put humility first and listen to facts and reason.

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By: ATTN: Utah Alpine School District Parents | Mormon Bloggers https://www.utahsrepublic.org/mary-mostert-educates-asd-board/comment-page-1/#comment-42 Wed, 24 Feb 2010 00:45:54 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=257#comment-42 […] Leave comments on this post here:https://www.utahsrepublic.org/education/mary-mostert-educates-asd-board/ […]

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By: harrypayne https://www.utahsrepublic.org/mary-mostert-educates-asd-board/comment-page-1/#comment-37 Tue, 23 Feb 2010 20:09:04 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=257#comment-37 It appears to me that some (or all) of our educators are not well educated in the principles of the founding of our Great Nation. The Mission Statement of the ASD can and really should be changed to reflect the true principles of freedom and liberty. Education begins at the top, then proceeds to the education of the students.

How can we remain free when we are not being taught what real freedom is and should be?

I would propose that all of us be more involved in the processes of our school district and make sure that: correct moral, ethical and historical education be taught in our schools to our children. Math, English and History in their correct and complete forms are necessary to keep us from falling into the destructive patterns that other nations have and are falling into. In fact, few other courses need be added to those basics of education. I feel that TOO MANY other courses detract from and confuse and do not prove to be productive in educating our next generation. After our youth have the basics, then they are better able to move on to higher education, having a firm foundation in those things that really do matter.

My basic education was obtained at the hands of Provo School District and my children received theirs in the Alpine School District, many districts have fallen into this pattern. We need to know the difference between a Republic and a Democratic form of government and make sure that our children do too.

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By: Buffy Snell https://www.utahsrepublic.org/mary-mostert-educates-asd-board/comment-page-1/#comment-1667 Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:47:00 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=257#comment-1667 One more thing I’d like to add. Let’s just say that we were a democracy. “Majority rule” sounds good in theory, right? But what if the majority is ever wrong? What if the majority decides that morality is relative? That all Jews deserve to be burned or gassed? That people with dark skin should indeed be enslaved? The implications of such misguided thinking could have far-reaching, devastating affects on Society as a whole. The Constitution of the United States is not brilliant because it is anchored in “the people”. It’s brilliant because it is anchored in truth. And truth, though fixed, can and does and is becoming unpopular.

Buffy Snell

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By: Buffy Snell https://www.utahsrepublic.org/mary-mostert-educates-asd-board/comment-page-1/#comment-1666 Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:47:00 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=257#comment-1666 We are losing our liberties in this country at an alarming rate because of political ignorance. The fact that the inaccurate “Mission Statement” has been adopted by the “full Board of Education, the District Community Council and the School Community Councils in the district” is NOT consoling. It simply reflects the mammoth task we have before us of re-educating our educators.

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By: JC https://www.utahsrepublic.org/mary-mostert-educates-asd-board/comment-page-1/#comment-1665 Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:33:00 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=257#comment-1665 Thank you for an excellent letter. I can only hope that it will receive the attention it’s due. Unfortunately ASD seems intent on being “correct” in all things and unwilling to listen to the many parents (not the few as I believe you were told in your brief response from ASD) who have contacted them expressing concern about the mission statement.

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