Comments on: Rebuttal to Daily Herald Article https://www.utahsrepublic.org/rebuttal-to-daily-herald-article/ A Constitutional Right Tue, 15 Jun 2010 20:27:21 +0000 hourly 1 By: Jt_kelley https://www.utahsrepublic.org/rebuttal-to-daily-herald-article/comment-page-1/#comment-698 Tue, 15 Jun 2010 20:27:21 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=474#comment-698 Wow. You are really mature.
Just hurl names without attacking the issues.
That is just the problem with progressive socialists … they just want you to shut up and get on board with the their programs.
No wonder you see no problem with the what is going on.

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By: Jt_kelley https://www.utahsrepublic.org/rebuttal-to-daily-herald-article/comment-page-1/#comment-503 Tue, 15 Jun 2010 14:27:21 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=474#comment-503 Wow. You are really mature.
Just hurl names without attacking the issues.
That is just the problem with progressive socialists … they just want you to shut up and get on board with the their programs.
No wonder you see no problem with the what is going on.

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By: Oak Norton https://www.utahsrepublic.org/rebuttal-to-daily-herald-article/comment-page-1/#comment-254 Fri, 30 Apr 2010 08:25:04 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=474#comment-254 Hi Lewis,

I'm all for free elections and representative government. I'm also for the people holding supreme power by being able to elect their representatives. I'm not in favor of “direct democracy” as you've pointed out. As you'll note in the quote above, a “true Democracy” is a direct democracy and believe it or not, there are those seeking to establish one here in Utah. The clearest case in point is the “Citizens Ethics Initiative” being floated for Utah by “concerned citizens.” If you haven't read the bill I encourage you to do so. Under the guise of “don't you want an ethical legislature?” (which of course everyone does) a group of 5 people have written into an initiative a system where if the Republicans and Democrats don't perfectly agree on the people to be on this committee, then the creators of the initiative get to be on the committee. I strongly encourage you to read the actual initiative and imagine your political opponents having a position of power where by law they were not allowed to have their actions reviewed by the attorney general, they have the power to make law as a committee (no *meat grinder* process and no signature from the governor) and they can make accusations public without letting the accused try to clear his/her name publicly. It's pure hubris on the part of the drafters and scary to think that a largely ignorant public may walk into the booth this November and without any background on the issue see something about having an ethical legislature and vote to enact this into law. That would be an overthrow of the law and an overthrow of republican government by a pure democracy…putting lawmaking into the hands of the people when it is not their constitutional authority to do it. It would be an overthrow of the government. Here's one writer's summary:

https://www.connorboyack.com/blog/utahs-unethica

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By: lewisbarnavelt https://www.utahsrepublic.org/rebuttal-to-daily-herald-article/comment-page-1/#comment-250 Fri, 30 Apr 2010 05:27:29 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=474#comment-250 “What is a Democracy? A Democracy is a form of government where everyone gets a voice on every issue and it always ends in mob rule. A true Democracy only works on a small scale. It is unreasonable to have every citizen vote on every issue, and where this has been practiced in the past, it always destroys the peace of the people.”

This is a great definition of a “direct democracy” but this is not how how democracy has been defined for the past 100 years. According to Webster's Dictionary democracy is: a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections.

Is there anything wrong with free elections or the people holding supreme power?

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By: Guest https://www.utahsrepublic.org/rebuttal-to-daily-herald-article/comment-page-1/#comment-1673 Sun, 18 Apr 2010 06:07:00 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=474#comment-1673 In reply to Oak Norton.

As much as you love playing with hairy, sweaty men . . . mmmmmmmmmm get some, Oak! Get some! :)

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By: mattevans https://www.utahsrepublic.org/rebuttal-to-daily-herald-article/comment-page-1/#comment-208 Sun, 18 Apr 2010 00:45:36 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=474#comment-208 Oak (if I may),

If you can't see how the Daily Herald reporter could infer from your letter (which I've read) that you are accusing BYU and ASD of participating in a socialist conspiracy, then you probably also can't see other, serious flaws in your arguments. Quite frankly, at least to this reader, you are tilting at windmills. You're obviously a good and moral man, and it's a shame to see someone like you caught up in such (obvious) nonsense. Please seriously consider reading Bertrand Russell's “Problems of Philosophy.” It will help you develop the mental tools necessary to understand what you are missing. You're right: our country is in peril. But you have misidentified the problem. Seriously. In my opinion, this peril is greatly increased because many good, honest, decent people like you have been swept up by the rhetoric of demagogues who want nothing more than to keep you angry and frustrated and marginalized (because it allows them to continue making money off you).

I.e., Oak, believe it or not, you are feeding the very machine you purport to be fighting against.
Good luck.

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By: Redwood https://www.utahsrepublic.org/rebuttal-to-daily-herald-article/comment-page-1/#comment-204 Sat, 17 Apr 2010 07:56:34 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=474#comment-204 So Oak, you don't see that following someone like Glenn Beck as ignoring “strong warnings against moral relativism (ie. standards based on changing cultural norms)”?
Because what you are promoting is definitely changing someone's standards based on the cultural norms that radicals like Beck are promoting.
I am also in Shock that you want to recreate the Aristocracy Republic (otherwise known as a Oligarchy) that our Founding Fathers tried to create.
Also, your claims that Goodlad was trying to destroy God in the school's is way out of context. Goodlad was trying to prevent any ONE specific religion from promoting its religious views in our schools. That is exactly what the Founding Fathers wanted also. If you don't believe me then you have not read “The 5,000 Year Leap” as you claim to have done; since this website promotes that book like it is better than the Bible.
Plus the issues that you and your sheep promote about state's rights over federal rights are scary. Do you guys really want a state to have the right to implement Jim Crow laws again. You do realize that sometimes the Federal government must step in and take away certain rights from States for the benefit of the people?
I find it funny too, that you are pushing your Libertarian ideals onto Alpine School District when you claim they are trying to push their political ideals onto you. There is nothing like the smell of Hypocrisy in Highland, Utah.

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By: Oak Norton https://www.utahsrepublic.org/rebuttal-to-daily-herald-article/comment-page-1/#comment-202 Sat, 17 Apr 2010 00:42:59 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=474#comment-202 :) Love it.

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By: Guest https://www.utahsrepublic.org/rebuttal-to-daily-herald-article/comment-page-1/#comment-200 Fri, 16 Apr 2010 22:37:35 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=474#comment-200 Oak, first of all you have a ridiculous name, second you are a moron, third shut up with your agenda and home school your brats.

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