Comments on: Troubling SHARP Surveys https://www.utahsrepublic.org/troubling-sharp-surveys/ A Constitutional Right Sat, 09 Mar 2019 14:37:10 +0000 hourly 1 By: Pamela https://www.utahsrepublic.org/troubling-sharp-surveys/comment-page-1/#comment-2448 Sun, 20 Mar 2011 04:28:00 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=1185#comment-2448 In reply to B. L. Harrison.

As a parent of 5 and now a grandparent, I am grateful to have many options and resources at my disposal to help in the most important responsibility of my life; that of being a parent. While I am not an ‘expert’ according to the ‘experts,’ I believe that my field of expertise far exceeds that of any ‘expert’ when it comes to assessing what is best for my own children. Through my own experiences, I have learned that I don’t have to know everything to be a qualified parent. Even the experts would agree with that.

The biggest concern for parents with the SHARP Survey was that they were not given adequate information in order to make an informed decision. Most parents were not aware of what types of questions their children would be exposed to, nor the way drug/alcohol/substances/suicide/etc. information would be provided and encouraged in the survey. Because many of the questions are leading, it caused youth to question themselves and their family situations. (The wording of the gang questions immediately followed by leading negative family questions were very disturbing to me personally.) These reasons have caused great concern to many parents . Additionally, there are many professional experts who have expressed these same concerns about the SHARP Survey.

Whatever intention the SHARP Survey has to “assess the level of risk a child may have,” it is the law that schools must inform parents just what the “tool” is. This is done by making the survey available for review, and then having the parent give written consent to have their child take the survey. The law has not been followed by many school districts in this regard.

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By: Vash the Stampede https://www.utahsrepublic.org/troubling-sharp-surveys/comment-page-1/#comment-2437 Sat, 19 Mar 2011 02:12:00 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=1185#comment-2437 In reply to B. L. Harrison.

I really don’t mean any offense, I hop you don’t take this personally; but since you posted in public, you’ve demanded a public response. My silence would have appeared to be an endorsement.

The quote to “teach correct principles and let them govern themselves” was NEVER meant by the author as an excuse for bad choices. One of the greatest enemies of Truth is relativism (where there are no “wrong” answers, where distorted virtues such as “tolerance” or “equality” reign supreme). The only way to be “wrong” in a relativist world is to advocate absolute truth, which in other words is to claim exclusivity (e.g. “only through Christ can we be saved”). But God IS absolute; therefore all other truth is too. While you (and everyone else) ARE free to choose wrongly, you cannot escape the reality that bad choices are inferior to good ones. Your attempt to wrest the above statement reveals your lack of understanding of it’s true meaning and context.

“I counclude that it is impossible for parents in this age to provide all of the necessary resources needed to do this alone. We are parents! We are not experts in everything.”

This idea is wrong and disturbing. I understand that no parent can get a PhD in every subject; but that doesn’t mean a good parent can’t be responsible for the moral and secular education of their children. Not every family can be ideal, with a stay at home mom and an involved, righteous dad; but that shouldn’t mean we should be so quick to settle for less. To put it bluntly, what you are inferring is that parents should outsource their divine responsibilities because they are incapable of fulfilling them; that is not only WRONG, it is also out of line with your own professed (LDS) beliefs. You’re right, without God, parents are far more likely to be inadequate in providing for their children’s needs. But God stands ready and willing to help any parent who will “ask in faith, believing he/she will receive.” And with God, all things are possible.

“I think the right approach is to look into the source, educate yourself on the SHARP, talk to experts, discuss things with your children, then make an informned decision.”

How about: be diligent, concerned, loving and at-home parents; pray to God for answers; obtain those answers by obedience to predicated laws; then make an INSPIRED decision. Not an “informed” decision. Again, while this is ideal, and therefore sometimes not realistic for everyone in the real world, why not strive for the ideal rather than settle for inferior alternatives?

I wish you the best in your parenting endeavors. A parent myself, I know it can be difficult at times! I know I am inadequate without God’s help, but I also know He won’t forsake me if I put my trust in Him.

What I believe the root of the problem with your post is: you believe the SHARP survey is neutral. This is impossible. What Pamela has uncovered, and what every parent can and should independently verify, is that rather than being beneficial or even neutral (as school officials and SHARP salespeople claim), the SHARP survey is a direct assault on parental rights, it is harmful to good children, and useless in helping troubled children. Therefore, we should do all within our power to shield our own children first (opt out, don’t sign permission slips), then protect children in our community (go to school-board meetings and educate/remove it at the county level), and thereby set an example for good for neighboring counties and communities to follow.

And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather EXPOSE them. -Ephesians 5:11

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By: B. L. Harrison https://www.utahsrepublic.org/troubling-sharp-surveys/comment-page-1/#comment-2436 Thu, 17 Mar 2011 19:22:00 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=1185#comment-2436 I am a parent of four and I work in the field of human services. I use to think soely like these parents and Pamela Smith until I started working in this type of work. While I agree it is the parent’s sole responsibility to teach, nurture and inform matters on matters of development, religion, education or otherwise to their children; I counclude that it is impossible for parents in this age to provide all of the necessary resources needed to do this alone. We are parents! We are not experts in everything. I think the right approach is to look into the source, educate yourself on the SHARP, talk to experts, discuss things with your children, then make an informned decision. I am LDS, I love the church, the gospel is true, but the church (our members) and all people need help to the things we’ve been asked by our leaders…”Teach correct principles and let them govern themselves.” The SHARP is only a tool to assess the level of risk a child may have simply by living in a certain community or going to a certain school. You parents are great to take the initiative to look into this, but Pamela didn’t tell the whole story and some of her references were misplaced. For more information on the SHARP, go to http://www.dsamh.utah.gov, go to map of Local Substance Abuse Authorities and contact your local health education professionals.

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By: Emily brent https://www.utahsrepublic.org/troubling-sharp-surveys/comment-page-1/#comment-2390 Tue, 08 Mar 2011 02:19:00 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=1185#comment-2390 In reply to Dbags73.

I think you should let him take the survey and if he feels comfortable with answering those questions it would be alright to let him take it. If he feels strongly you should let himthe biggest part in it is thT they must openly admit to things that may be hard for him. I think you should allow him to.

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By: Vash the Stampede https://www.utahsrepublic.org/troubling-sharp-surveys/comment-page-1/#comment-2389 Mon, 07 Mar 2011 04:20:00 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=1185#comment-2389 Great presentation!

@Dbags73: Basically it’s a damaging survey because: first, it’s a “recipe card” for kids, meaning it introduces new ideas they would not have thought to try otherwise; second, it invades family privacy (one evil conclusion of which: Hitler Youth were so conditioned that they would turn in their parents for disagreeing with Government policy); and lastly the survey presumes guilt in direct contradiction to the principle of “innocent until proven guilty” which is a pillar of the original U.S. Constitution and legal code. Your question will be answered more thoroughly if you watch the embedded movie. It’s a little long, but not too bad.

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By: Dbags73 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/troubling-sharp-surveys/comment-page-1/#comment-2387 Sun, 06 Mar 2011 20:02:00 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=1185#comment-2387 I wondered if you could explain further what is so damaging about this test. (I am not saying it isn’t) My son brought up a good discussion after I talked to him about the test and so we looked at the sample questions…..

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By: Do not sign release for your student to take the SHARP survey in Utah | Red Pills https://www.utahsrepublic.org/troubling-sharp-surveys/comment-page-1/#comment-2386 Sun, 06 Mar 2011 17:40:01 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=1185#comment-2386 […] https://www.utahsrepublic.org/education/troubling-sharp-surveys/ {see below} […]

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By: Mytimelinesetc https://www.utahsrepublic.org/troubling-sharp-surveys/comment-page-1/#comment-2385 Sun, 06 Mar 2011 14:58:00 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=1185#comment-2385 My 10th grader attends a charter school in Orem. I went to the school and read the survey a few weeks before the test was administered. I asked some pointed questions (to which I received unsatisfactory answers) and expressed some specific objections. I could tell the principal was a little uncomfortable because he didn’t know the answers but he and the secretary started thinking. Of course, my son did not take the test, and he said that relatively few students did. I am glad to have this excellent information which I will now forward to the school. I am not through asking questions, like “Is it required for schools to participate?” and “Who designed the test?” Etc.

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By: jmomma4 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/troubling-sharp-surveys/comment-page-1/#comment-2383 Sun, 06 Mar 2011 02:28:00 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=1185#comment-2383 I received a permission slip for my 9th grader to take this survey. I asked him what it was about. He was vague, of course, as he did not really listen too closely. So I asked the teacher and his response was, “oh it’s not a big deal. Just a survey about drug and alcohol abuse.” I said my child would not be participating. Then I reiterated that to my son after we left the classroom. I told him it would not be appropriate for him to take a survey given by the “secular” world about drugs and alcohol. We talked some more about it. I am very happy that I was able to see through this one without any help. Kudos to all the other parents who see through the constant garbage as sometimes they are very sneaky.

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