Comments on: What’s the Difference between John Goodlad and Bill Ayers? https://www.utahsrepublic.org/whats-the-difference-between-john-goodlad-and-bill-ayers/ A Constitutional Right Mon, 19 Jul 2010 21:33:47 +0000 hourly 1 By: Logos https://www.utahsrepublic.org/whats-the-difference-between-john-goodlad-and-bill-ayers/comment-page-1/#comment-831 Mon, 19 Jul 2010 21:33:47 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=549#comment-831 No difference between Eagle Forum and Al-quaeda? Given to hyperbole much?

]]> By: Oak Norton https://www.utahsrepublic.org/whats-the-difference-between-john-goodlad-and-bill-ayers/comment-page-1/#comment-705 Sat, 26 Jun 2010 09:18:42 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=549#comment-705 Loved Empire. Eagle Forum is not a far-right wing group. They are a principle based organization. You may find it fun to try and lump them into that category, but then again you've pushed Tea Party groups there too and there's no violence coming from any of them. They are tired of the federal government shredding the constitution and spending our great grandchildren into oblivion.

]]> By: Oak Norton https://www.utahsrepublic.org/whats-the-difference-between-john-goodlad-and-bill-ayers/comment-page-1/#comment-706 Sat, 26 Jun 2010 08:54:26 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=549#comment-706 Paw paw, Goodlad talks about a social democracy and not a direct democracy. If you read anything I've written you'd know that.

]]> By: Pawpaw https://www.utahsrepublic.org/whats-the-difference-between-john-goodlad-and-bill-ayers/comment-page-1/#comment-707 Sat, 26 Jun 2010 06:59:13 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=549#comment-707 As for the Eagle Forum turning to violence one day, it is very easy to see (as a moderate outsider) that it WILL happen one day if the E.F. doesn't start to get its way. The fanaticism that members of the E.F. have for their beliefs is quite scary. Their sense of “if you are not with us you are against us” is exactly what will lead to violence. History has proven this time and time again. The more fanatical that the E.F. and Tea party become, the more they will push the Far-left to retaliate. When the Far-Left gets more power and influence, then the Far-Right will go even more extreme. Those of us in the middle will soon have no power and will be caught between both sides of extremism.
I have held these beliefs for more than 20 years. My life experiences and studies of history and politics have shown me that since McCarthyism and the Vietnam War our country has become polarized on way too many issues. There used to be a lot of common ground between Republicans and Democrats but now there is almost none. A few years ago I read a novel that actually addressed this issue of how the extreme Right and Left will destroy our country. I highly recommend that you read the Afterword to Orson Scott Card's Empire. Here's a link I found to that Afterword: https://www.hatrack.com/osc/articles/empire_afte…

]]> By: Pawpaw https://www.utahsrepublic.org/whats-the-difference-between-john-goodlad-and-bill-ayers/comment-page-1/#comment-708 Sat, 26 Jun 2010 06:46:51 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=549#comment-708 Thank you for taking my bait and proving your hypocrisy. Well, I believe that ASD's Mission Statement does not literally mean that our county is a Direct Democracy but you have interpreted them to be saying just that. I know Christ's statement was not meant the way I wrote it above, I was just trying to see of you would admit that words can be taken out of context and made to have a meaning by people that was not originally intended. I know you will say that Goodlad meant a literal Direct Democracy, which is wrong but I think my point stands.

]]> By: Oak Norton https://www.utahsrepublic.org/whats-the-difference-between-john-goodlad-and-bill-ayers/comment-page-1/#comment-585 Sat, 26 Jun 2010 03:18:42 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=549#comment-585 Loved Empire. Eagle Forum is not a far-right wing group. They are a principle based organization. You may find it fun to try and lump them into that category, but then again you've pushed Tea Party groups there too and there's no violence coming from any of them. They are tired of the federal government shredding the constitution and spending our great grandchildren into oblivion.

]]> By: Oak Norton https://www.utahsrepublic.org/whats-the-difference-between-john-goodlad-and-bill-ayers/comment-page-1/#comment-584 Sat, 26 Jun 2010 02:54:26 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=549#comment-584 Paw paw, Goodlad talks about a social democracy and not a direct democracy. If you read anything I've written you'd know that.

]]> By: Pawpaw https://www.utahsrepublic.org/whats-the-difference-between-john-goodlad-and-bill-ayers/comment-page-1/#comment-582 Sat, 26 Jun 2010 00:46:51 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=549#comment-582 Thank you for taking my bait and proving your hypocrisy. Well, I believe that ASD's Mission Statement does not literally mean that our county is a Direct Democracy but you have interpreted them to be saying just that. I know Christ's statement was not meant the way I wrote it above, I was just trying to see of you would admit that words can be taken out of context and made to have a meaning by people that was not originally intended. I know you will say that Goodlad meant a literal Direct Democracy, which is wrong but I think my point stands.

]]> By: Oak Norton https://www.utahsrepublic.org/whats-the-difference-between-john-goodlad-and-bill-ayers/comment-page-1/#comment-574 Fri, 25 Jun 2010 12:48:42 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=549#comment-574 Christ's sword reference is a metaphor for fighting evil, not taking up a physical sword. If you don't think Christ and Paul spoke about fighting principalities and powers of evil, then explain Christ's statement in a different light.

If you think Eagle Forum people are going to turn to violence to stop Obama, that's hilarious. They use their voice to advocate legislative issues.

]]> By: Pawpaw https://www.utahsrepublic.org/whats-the-difference-between-john-goodlad-and-bill-ayers/comment-page-1/#comment-572 Fri, 25 Jun 2010 12:09:17 +0000 https://www.utahsrepublic.org/?p=549#comment-572 Barry Goldwater- really? Well here's a quote from a Republican who actually one their election for president, Eisenhower: “People talk about the middle of the road as though it were unacceptable. Actually, all human problems, excepting morals, come into the gray areas. Things are not all black and white. There have to be compromises. The middle of the road is all of the usable surface. The extremes, right and left, are in the gutters.”
As for Al-Qaeda and the Eagle Forum- you yourself told me that you were following the Bible's quote:
“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.” Implying that you are using a sword to bring your message to others is NOT different at all than Al-Qaeda. Using religious views to support extremism is scary whether it is Muslims or Christians. Don't forget that Christians have killed more people in the name of God than Muslims could ever hope to. The Eagle Forum and its radical views are not dissimilar at all from Al-Qaeda. Besides, Al-Qaeda did not start off with violence- they started off using words to promote their ideas and then realized not enough people were buying into their rhetoric and so used violence against those who were making policy they didn't support. I am sorry, but I can easily see some E.F. people I have met turning to violence to stop Obama.

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