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RMR – ASD & State Board Update 3-20-10

Today’s Red Meat Radio update contains the following topics:
Red-Meat-Radio-Republic 3-20-2010

-ASD School Board races
-Recap on the Motto controversy
-Utah State Office of Education’s “Bias and Sensitivity” committee
-1986 USOE’s unanimous decision to accept “The Making of America” as an approved textbook

Election Signups

With the filings for election races now complete, we ended on a great note this week in Alpine. Thanks everyone for your support in signing up or helping encourage others to do so. The work now begins. Here’s a list of candidates for the ASD school board.

A1-Donna Barnes, 5 competitors

A2-Chrissy Hannemann, 4 competitors

A3-Tim Osborn, 2 competitors one of which is a former ASD administrator (I fully support Tim)

A5-JoDee Sundberg, 2 competitors

State Office Emails

Here is the text of the email exchange with the State Office.

If you missed last weeks’ update that contained the first set of letters exchanged with the state office, check them out here (USOE letters)

Note this letter was also sent to Larry Shumway the State Superintendent and other State Office of Education members.


“The Making of America” and “The 5,000 Year Leap” would need to be submitted by publishers to the textbook review committee.  However, I doubt either book would be approved for classroom instruction, although they are excellent reference materials.  The books have some religious overtones and terms that would not pass the Bias and Sensitivity Committee.  The books were not written to serve primarily as public school textbooks and therefore fail to provide teacher support for differentiation, readability, assessment and etc.  Again, I would agree the materials are very informative.

I would invite you to provide us with a list of individuals with backgrounds in the field of education for consideration to serve on our advisory or steering committees, as we move forward with core curricula revisions in the area of US History.  Please send us your list of individuals, noting their educational background, as soon as possible.  I look forward to your e-mail of nominations.

Lynne Greenwood

My reply:


Thank you for responding so quickly. I want to note that although the 5,000 Year Leap was not written as a textbook, “The Making of America” was and was very close to being adopted by *California* as a textbook a couple decades ago. I will have the publisher send you a copy for your review if you will send me your address. Also, if for some reason the USOE rejects the book, I would like a detailed reason why. There is no “religious” overtone to the book. It is a disection of the constitution and the arguments and statements made by our Founding Fathers at the time it was created as to why they phrased the constitution the way they did. It is more than a resource, it is an exposition on the original intent of our Founding Fathers in preserving our freedom.

I will also work to get a list together quickly of qualified candidates to assist with the standards review and curriculum writing.


Oak Norton

I then followed this email up with this one which contains a clear direction for the state office to approve the textbook “The Making of America” SINCE THEY’VE ALREADY APPROVED IT!

Hi Lynne,
Will you please check the current approved book list and see if “The Making of America” is already on the list? In speaking with the publisher yesterday, I was told it was approved unanimously by the committee back in 1986. The publisher sent me this email below as the text from the approval letter by then Superintendent Moss. Please let me know.  If it’s not on the list, I guess it ought to be since it was already approved. Zeldon also sent me the attached fax page of endorsements for the book which includes this letter from the former State Superintendent.
Oak Norton

The Making of America”

The text was recommended to the resource material by the Social Studies Curriculum Advisory Committee.  This committee works under the jurisdiction of the State Textbook Commission.  The recommendation of the committee was then acted on by the Commission on November 13, 1986.  The Commission at that time voted unanimously to accept the recommendation of the committee.  Therefore, it will be suggested to Utah schools that the book be used as resource material for teachers and student use.
James R. Moss
State Superintendent
Of Public Instruction

Zeldon Nelson—CEO
National Center for Constitutional Studies

Here are the Making of America reviews Zeldon sent me which I attached in my email to Lynne and the other state office employees and Superintendent. If you don’t have this wonderful book, order it today at It is a powerful textbook and when we are at the razor’s edge of losing the Constitution, this is the book that explains the constitution in its original glory.

RMR-ASD & State Board Updates 3-13-10

In this update:

Red Meat Radio podcast
What’s happening in Alpine School District
Full audio of the public minutes from Tuesday’s board meeting
State office update

Red Meat Radio podcast

I was on Red Meat Radio this morning and spoke about the Alpine School District meeting this week and the official response I received from the State Board concerning the petition on this site. Click the link at the top to listen to it. (one of the two is the radio show and the other is the school board meeting.) RMR Audio (right-click to save)

What’s happening in Alpine School District

In brief, if you missed the press news from the Daily Herald and their posting of ASD’s official response to the link flap that’s going on, check it out here (Concerned Parents Decry Socialism at Alpine District Meeting)

Here are a few clips from their official statement:

We appreciate the opportunity to correct a serious misunderstanding about Alpine School District that has occurred because of a link that was accidentally and briefly on our Web site. The link was inappropriate and does not reflect the beliefs or values of the district, administration or school board. The superintendent had it removed as soon as he became aware of it. We appreciate those who brought it to our attention.

We not only recognize that our government is a republic, but we value and participate in this form of government with an elected board of education. The use of the word democracy underscores the type of republic found in the United States.

Huh? We have a democracy as our type of republic??? Read the rest of this entry »

Daily Herald Video from ASD Board Meeting

If you missed the Alpine School District Board Meeting on March 9, 2010, here’s a video provided by the Provo Daily Herald showing clips of many of the speakers. Contrary to the press article title about “angry parents”, the mood was quite calm and respectful.

Here are links to 2 press articles reporting on the event:

Susan Schnell’s Speech at Alpine School District Board Meeting

Susan Schnell 3/9/10

Let me introduce myself. My name is Susan Schnell and I wrote the email that is circulating around the district. You might wonder why your motto, “Enculturating the Young into a Social and Political Democracy” is important enough to draw so much attention. Perhaps I can shed some light.

I am the daughter of an immigrant who was forced to flee her country when the Soviet Union under Stalin seized Ukraine and brought it under communist rule. The Soviets collectivized farms, burned down churches, took away their religion, their traditions and their heritage and then murdered many millions of Ukrainians. Just before they escaped, my mother overheard her parents say that the “Soviets are stealing away our children.” She understood well that this meant from the age of 3, the children would be sent to public schools where they would completely indoctrinate them into a new culture. The Ukrainian children were to “unlearn” everything their families taught them about their religion, history, culture, heritage and even their native language. The Soviets knew that to succeed, they had to control the minds of the children.  As Vladimir Lenin said,

“Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted. Give us the child for 8 years and it will be a Bolshevik forever.”

So my grandparents sacrificed everything they had, even their lives to come to America where their family would be free from oppression and their children free from indoctrination, or should I say “enculturation.” Because of this heritage, I have been warned my entire life to watch for warning signs of socialism. Freedom and education came at a very high price for my family.

I received my teaching degree from California State University in Sacramento. I am now painfully aware of why they named my major Liberal Studies instead of Elementary Education. I ended up receiving 4 years of liberal indoctrination instead of how to succeed as a teacher, so I am well aware of the training teachers receive before they go into the classroom.

We are seeing our great nation collapse because of socialistic ideas which are seeping into our government. Our Constitution is hanging by a thread, no doubt. But recently it has come to our attention that even our children right here in Alpine School District are being uninformed and misinformed of our great American heritage. We have been naïve, too trusting, and too busy to notice the awful situation that is now upon us. We put our trust in our government leaders, including this school board, and they have let us down. We think America is always going to be great just because it is America and we don’t have to do anything to stand up for it. Well, we have awakened! We now have a generation of millions of school children across the nation who are either going to save this nation or help to destroy it and it all rests in the hands of their parents and teachers. We know that in every state, children are being indoctrinated in schools because conspiring men know as Adolf Hitler said “He alone who owns the youth, gains the future.” There is a war going on to transform our nation and we are seeing it right in front of our eyes. Socialist educators like John Dewey, John Goodlad and Bill Ayers have been feeding the socialist agenda for years in many universities around the nation and yes, unfortunately, that includes universities here in Utah.

Right now in Texas, school book publishers are trying to change history by leaving out some of our Founding Fathers and the great men who fought for this country. These books will be distributed throughout the whole country. They are taking out patriots such as Ben Franklin, Davy Crocket, and Daniel Boone. In CA schools, my children learned that Christopher Columbus was a horrible man and that Abraham Lincoln was gay. In the high school, they were taught that parents and religion were old-fashioned and they should question the belief system they learned at home. This was fed to them everyday at school with posters, plays, rallies and school assignments.

I testified in front of the CA State Senate against a bill that would completely re-write our American history in school textbooks. I thought a school field trip with my 4th grader to the State Capitol Building in Sacramento would be a wonderful patriotic experience for the children. Instead, they were told that the Constitution was not inspired, but just an incomplete, living, breathing document with many errors that needed to be fixed or thrown out. They were shown Japanese internment camp displays for an hour while listening to speakers tell them how evil America is. They went away ashamed of America, not proud of their heritage. I believe Vladimir Lenin when he said, “A lie told often enough becomes the truth.” Adolf Hitler echoed, “If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.” After putting up with so much indoctrination I finally took my children out of school to home school them so we could bring God and truth back into their daily academic lessons.

We moved from California to Utah a year and a half ago because we had hoped that this was a more conservative, religious environment to raise our children. I told my children they would be safe to go to school here because we didn’t have to fear indoctrination. Well I was wrong. Not only are they not being challenged academically but now we are finding out that the district is involved in pushing this dangerous progressive agenda whether they realize it or not. Through your motto, you are telling parents that their family’s culture isn’t good enough, so it is the school’s job now to enculturate the children into believing in a new culture, one of social and political democracy. From everything that I’ve studied, that means socialism or the next step towards it. Lenin said “Democracy is indispensable to socialism.” Karl Marx is quoted as saying “Democracy is the road to socialism.” Who are we following? Who are we using as our Founding Fathers? George Washington and James Madison, or Karl Marx, Vladimir Lenin, Joseph Stalin and John Goodlad?

My father served in the United States military for decades defending this Republic. My mother sacrificed everything to come to this country of liberty and escape from communism. I have been taught my entire life to respect this country, to be thankful for the freedom I have and to fight any evil that seeks to destroy my liberties. I will not sit idly by as my children and the other children of this district are taught false statements about this country. If this nation does become “fundamentally transformed” like so many of our progressive government leaders are trying so hard to accomplish, I do not want to look my children in the eye and tell them I did nothing to save it. Correct education starts at home first. The schools should be an extension of those teachings, not an enculturation factory which undermines the family. We need a strong generation of educated and civic minded children. If our beloved Constitution is to be hanging by a thread, I want this generation of children to know how to restore it back to the original form the Founding Fathers intended it to be when they were inspired by God to write it. I ask you, please concentrate on academics, and when you do teach civics, be careful to follow the Founding Fathers who wrote our inspired Constitution and not the educated elite who follow a Socialist agenda.

Red Meat Radio Update

For those of you that missed the show this morning, here’s the audio. I even got a pop question from someone who emailed the show asking, “if this is a Republic, should you even be looking at a petition, or should you be working through your locally elected school board to address the issues that you’re finding with the Alpine School District?”

Listen to the audio and see if you’re satisfied with my answer.

State School Board Visit

Friday morning I returned to the State School Board since last month I delivered the petition and had not heard back from them. Audio of this event will be available next week online and I will post the relevant part to this site. In short, I delivered a document to each board member as well as shared a couple quick thoughts.

I shared the story I received from a parent this week that her child overheard two teachers in the hallway talking to each other. One said to the other, “everyone’s saying we’re a Republic, but we’re not, we’re a Democracy.”

I also shared the statement by Thomas Jefferson that a Republic is the only form of government that is not at open war with the rights of man.

Superintendent Shumway and I had spoken in the capitol a few weeks ago and had a nice conversation on this topic, though we have a differing of opinion. He shared a quote from Ronald Reagan where Reagan called us a Democracy and I countered that that just shows how far gone the word has deteriorated. I mentioned how if you look in the dictionary (link) you’ll find two definitions for the word Democracy, one being the original meaning, and one meaning just the opposite which sounds like a Republic. Read the rest of this entry »

Bill Meyers Responds to Susan’s Email

William Meyers has responded to Susan Schnell’s email when he saw a spike in traffic and traced it to a Provo Herald article. Here’s a link to his page and clip from what he writes. It appears

Since I myself served on a public school board, I know what it is like to be in a room with a potential lynch mob. Probably the board had more important things to do (like teaching kids to read, write, do math, and think critically) than spend the next year defending my essay to a lunatic who believes that Jesus rose from the dead, that God wrote the U.S. Constitution, and that democracy is a bad thing. The link had already been removed, and the Board said it had been a mistake all along.

I think America: Democracy or Republic? stands up to criticism pretty well. That is why American fascists hate it. It does take a pro-democracy position, but the framework is factual. I think conservatives are correct in saying that the U.S. Constitution established an undemocratic republic. What is scary about a tiny-but-vocal minority of conservatives is that they advocate returning to a republic where only people owning substantial amounts of property (and even then not women or non-Europeans) would be allowed to vote.

The framework is factual? Our Founding Fathers were “predatory elitists”? They were only in the Revolutionary War to enrich themselves??? I think not.

To clarify his comments about Christ being a vampire he explains that it is satire to show the “nuttiness” of other people that such a thing as the real Jesus story could happen.

There is always a danger when you use irony or write satire that you will be mistaken for the nut case, rather than the guy who is illustrating the nuttiness of other people. I accept that. Vampires or Gods? is written in the style of a serious, non-fiction book, which is why it is such a good satire.

Scathing Rebuke of ASD in Herald Editorial

The Provo Daily Herald ripped Alpine School District for trying to brush Susan Schnell’s email under the rug and for telling the public that she misrepresented their views. After their own investigation, the Herald found everything Susan claimed and wondered why on earth ASD would be teaching our children that we live in a Social Democracy. Here’s a link and the fantastic ending to the article if you’re not going to read the whole thing.

Alpine District has explaining to do (2/28/10)

This business of “social democracy” deserves close scrutiny. “Social democracy” is a form of socialism, one that stresses political domination of society and the economy. It’s not the outright ownership of the means of production, but rather a sort of “socialism lite” found today in the welfare states of many European countries.

And this again raises the question why this is part of Alpine School District’s mission statement and emblazoned on big signs at district offices. If our educators use such a slogan knowing what social democracy is, they have considerably more explaining to do.

If they are unaware of what “social democracy” is, they should find other professions where ignorance of politics, history and economics wouldn’t be such a liability.

Red Meat Radio Update

Audio: 9 Minutes

Today’s on air update covers this week’s Alpine School District board meeting where ASD claims they’ve been misrepresented by someone telling their own personal experience. How does that work? If it’s their experience of what a teacher said to their child and what they saw in the school district building, and what they found on the district’s website, and what they found on the website the district linked to…how exactly does that misrepresent the district? Senator Howard Stephenson offers the answer. Perhaps if ASD disagrees and has another answer they’d care to provide it below in the comments or to send it to me to publish in it’s own prominent post for the public to get the full story…

Clarification from Susie Schnell

I want to make this clear: I don’t believe the staff at Alpine School District is intentionally trying to corrupt our children. What I do believe is that there are evil men who know that the way to introduce progressivism and socialism into our country is by teaching false education ideas to children and appealing to the pride of top administrators. The way I see it is that ASD is the keeper of the well. We have entrusted them to protect the water and keep it pure before they ladle it up for children to drink. They might not be the ones poisoning the water, but they have let the poison seep into our school district and therefore into our schools by adopting false educational ideas which stem from radical progressives. I represent one of the ‘townspeople’ who discovered that our well keepers were asleep on the job as this poison leaked into our district. Unfortunately, they still don’t see the poison as many townspeople are trying to warn them. Worse, they are too prideful to see their error so continue to teach this vehemently. It is important that we “awaken to this awful situation” right here in Utah and do something about it. It is not enough to read this and find it shocking. I am asking that you please go to and join with many other patriotic citizens and legislators to ask this district to stop teaching false political ideas and go back to concentrating on academic subjects and the true principles of the Constitution. Please go to this 10 minute video to learn why our Founding Fathers established a Republic and the dangerous course of pushing Democracy training in the school system.