What’s the Difference between John Goodlad and Bill Ayers?

By Susie Schnell

What is the difference between John Goodlad and Bill Ayers?

Answer: One was a revolutionary terrorist who served time in jail before he realized the best way to revolutionize America is through public schools. The other socialist already knew this.

What is the difference between John Goodlad and Bill Ayers’ Educational Philosophy?

Answer: There is no difference. Bill Ayers’ is the Keynote Speaker at the 2010 John Goodlad NNER Conference in October 2010. (Link)

For those that may never have heard of Bill Ayers, you can look him up on the web and there are a couple of links below the table. He participated in the bombings of the New York City Police Headquarters in 1970, of the Capitol building in 1971, and the Pentagon in 1972. Then he went into hiding and emerged with an intense desire to bring democratic education to students.

Check out this comparison chart:

John Goodlad

Bill Ayers

Current Professor, College of Education

University of Washington.

Current Professor, College of Education

University of Illinois, Chicago

University of Chicago

Earned a Ph.D. and was on the faculty

University of Chicago

Currently on the faculty

Prolific Author

Published over 30 books, 80 book chapters, and more than 200 journal articles about education reform.

Prolific Author

Written at least 23 books on education reform

National Education Speaker

National Education Speaker

Humanist

Author of Toward a Mankind School: An Adventure in Humanistic Education

“The curriculum of the future ‘will be what one might call the humanistic curriculum.’” (John Goodlad, NEA Journal 1966)

Humanist

“For humanists and democratic educators, the largest, most generous purpose of education is always human enlightenment and human liberation, and the driving principle is the unity of all humanity. We embrace the conviction that every human being is of incalculable value.” (Ayers commentary of Eugenics and Education, July 2008)

Democracy

Author of Education and the Making of a Democratic People with Roger Soder and Bonnie McDaniel

Goodlad says we will not have the schools we need, “until community leaders, educators and policymakers agree on the democratic purpose of public schooling and work together toward its advancement.” (Seattle pi opinion, November 28, 2008, Judging the Bush years: Well-educated or much-schooled?)

Enculturating the Young into a Social and Political Democracy (Developing Democratic Character in the Young)

Agenda for Education in a Democracy (AED) (Teacher training to advance democracy training, National Network for Educational Renewal (NNER)

Democracy

Bill Ayers, “The State of Democracy in America: Education Reform and Civic Engagement”

In the 1960’s belonged to Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) in Chicago which eventually became the Weather Underground under Ayer’s leadership, a terrorist organization to revolutionize America.

“Capitalism promotes racism and militarism – turning people into consumers, not citizens. Participatory democracy, by contrast, requires free people coming together voluntarily as equals who are capable of both self-realization and, at the same time, full participation in a shared political and economic life.”(2006 speech at the World Education Forum, Venezuela with President Hugo Chavez)

Child Belongs to the State

Goodlad wrote, “A century has passed since the prescient educational historian Ellwood Cubberley wrote the epigraph with which this writing began: “Each year the child is coming to belong more to the State and less and less to the parent.”

“My only disagreement with his observation pertains to the implication of our owning children. We parents do not own our children; we just rent them for a while. Given the extent to which what he was troubled about has expanded, however, his reference to state ownership may well be appropriate.”

(2010, Washington Post, Goodlad on school reform: Are we ignoring lessons of last 50 years?

Child Belongs to the State

Follower of John Dewey (Socialist)

In Praise of Education (John Dewey Lecture Series)

Earned John Dewey Society Outstanding Achievement Award (2009)

Follower of John Dewey (Socialist)

Ayers said, “John Dewey was one of the brilliant, brilliant writers about what democratic education would look like and was himself an independent socialist. (October 2006 interview of Bill Ayers in Revolution (the self-styled “Voice of the Revolutionary Communist Party, USA”)

Education and Politics

“Schooling is a practical, political affair.” (Developing Democratic Character in the Young)

“The state we should strive for is better described in Deweyan terms as a social democracy.” (John Goodlad, 2001: Developing Democratic Character in the Young)

Education and Politics

“…the separation of the concept of progressive education from the concept of politics and political change. You can’t separate them.” (2006 interview with Bill Ayers, Voice of Revolutionary Communist Party, USA)

Role of Parents

“Parents do not own their children. They have no ‘natural right’ to control their education fully.” (Developing Democratic Character in the Young, pp. 164.)

“Most youth still hold the same values of their parents…if we do not alter this pattern, if we don’t resocialize, our system will decay.” (Education Innovation, Issue 9.)

Morals

Wrote The Moral Dimensions of Teaching with Roger Soder and Kenneth Sirotnik

“Educators must resist the quest for certainty. If there were certainty there would be no scientific advancement. So it is with morals and patriotism.” (Education for Everyone, p. 6.)

Morals

Wrote Teaching Toward Freedom: Moral Commitment and Ethical Action in the Classroom

“Even though we think of ourselves as political, we weren’t politicians. We were people who had a moral vision of what was possible.” (At a 2007 reunion of former members of the Weather Underground and Students for a Democratic Society)

Spoke at NNER 2005 Conference with ASD Superintendent and Administrators

Spoke at NNER 2005 Conference with ASD Superintendent and Administrators
Proponent of Social Justice

“It is my expectation that Teacher Education for Democracy and Social Justice will become a rich resource for continuing this multi-layered conversation-from democratic belief to democratic action-that is the hallmark of educational renewal.” (Goodlad’s forward to Teacher Education for Democracy and Social Justice, Nicholas Michelli and David Lee Keiser)

Proponent of Social Justice

Wrote Education in and for Democracy: The Case for Social Justice in the Classroom

Teaching for Social Justice: A Democracy and Education Reader (1998)

“I walked out of jail and into my first teaching position—and from that day until this I’ve thought of myself as a teacher, but I’ve also understood teaching as a project intimately connected with social justice.”(Bill Ayers’ 2006 speech at the World Education Forum in Caracas, Venezuela in front of Pres. Hugo Chavez).

Recognized as a leader of educational reform

Goodlad’s best known book, A Place Called School (1984), received the Outstanding Book of the Year Award from the American Educational Research Association and the Distinguished Book of the Year Award. He is a past president of the American Educational Research Association and, in 1993, received that organization’s Award for Distinguished Contributions to Educational Research.

Recognized as a leader of educational reform

In 1997 Chicago recognized him as Citizen of the Year because of his key role in advancing educational reform in the city’s public schools.

Ayers was elected Vice President for Curriculum Studies by the American Educational Research Association in 2008.

Reason for Public Education

Schooling is a practical, political affair.” (Developing Democratic Character in the Young)

“It was clear a year later that health care and schooling were high on President Obama’s action agenda.” The nation’s cultural readiness for a long-overdue great turning—might come to pass.

“Clearly, there must be a great turning in schooling. The new will not evolve out of what we have now or try to fix. It is not broken. Indeed, it is very stable and solid, guided by ideologies that will not be disturbed, no matter what the evidence to their contrary.

“What we must do now nationwide is begin the 20-or-more-year process of creating a new tomorrow.

Education is the great equalizer. Unfortunately, in policy, family, community, the marketplace, institutions, and more, it turns out not to be.” (2010 Washington Post article by Goodlad)

A standardized curriculum of basic skills such as reading, writing and arithmetic cannot prepare people to participate in a democracy.” ”Enlightened social engineering is required to face situations that demand global action now.”

(John Goodlad, Preface to J.M. Becker: Schooling for a Global Age)

Reason for Public Education

“We share the belief that education is the motor-force of revolution… overcome the failings of capitalist education as you seek to create something truly new and deeply humane.” (Bill Ayers’ 2006 speech at the World Education Forum in Caracas, Venezuela in front of Pres. Hugo Chavez).

Education either reinforces or challenges the existing social order, and school is always a contested space…” (2006 Speech, Venezuela)

“Venezuela is poised to offer the world a new model of education– a humanizing and revolutionary model whose twin missions are enlightenment and liberation.” (2006 Speech, Venezuela)

“Education—teaching and schooling—either reinforces or challenges the existing social order. For humanists and democratic educators, the largest, most generous purpose of education is always human enlightenment and human liberation, and the driving principle is the unity of all humanity.”

(Bill Ayers.wordpress.com, review of Eugenics and Education by Ann Winfeild)

Which socialist/humanist/atheist radical would you choose as an educational consultant? How about neither.

For more information see these articles:

Bill Ayers and the Subversion of Education

Bill Ayers Scary Plans for Public Schools

17 Responses to “What’s the Difference between John Goodlad and Bill Ayers?”

  • lewisbarnavelt:

    I'm having a hard time figuring out the Obama and Bill Ayers connection and the endorsement of charter schools by the Obama Administration. Obama and Sec. of Education Duncan are in favor of charter schools and proliferating charter schools which would seem to give parents more choice, but I'm wondering if they have something nefarious planned for charter schools. Obama, Duncan, and Ayers are not really in favor of school choice, so is there something subversive going on with the Democrat (Socialist) Agenda and charter schools? I'm looking forward to hearing what you think.

  • Lewis, I don't have all the answers on this one, but I will say this. Charter schools are public schools and subject to all the same requirements. It would be an easy thing to say “we're giving parents more choices” but then control the curriculum, standards, and assessments, and still control what those students are being taught. The math standards the DOE under Obama has been promulgating would entrap states that take the bait of Race to the Top funds into fully accepting the standards and testing that go with it. The Utah DOE is very interested in this money and the standards, even though they would not be world-class standards. So to your question on whether this is subversive, is anything Obama & Co. does subversive??? :)

    Although I am generally pleased with what the charter schools are doing in this area, and I have some of my children in a charter school, that's still no excuse to not be vigilante on what they're doing. I know one charter in the ASD boundaries that held a debate on global warming. However, the debate wasn't on whether or not it was real, all the students had been taught it was real. The debate centered on “since it is real what solutions should we pursue.” I think those children should be exposed to the other viewpoint that global warming isn't man made.

  • lewisbarnavelt:

    I also keep a close eye on charter schools. My neighborhood charter school is good at giving A grades for non-challenging work to keep the parents happy and their seats filled to capacity. When schools pride themselves in being able to teach so well at school that kids don't need to do homework, I shudder. The most challenging education systems in the world pile on the homework, not give less of it. I've complained about this practice in traditional schools (maximum grade for minimum effort) as well, but it also seems to be alive and well in charter schools. I've come to the conclusion that many parents (some are even my friends) have come to value the grade more than the work being done to earn that good grade which is driving low quality education in America. I do believe that some of education's problems comes from the public themselves. There has to be a balance about how far the public can interfere in the educational process, especially when a large segment and a growing segment of the public values maximum reward for minimal effort.

  • I don't remember if I've pointed to this website but during the “math war” I started a comic strip to help laugh at the frustrations we were going through. This comic came from the problem you're describing.
    http://www.weaponsofmathdestruction.com/wmd.cfm

    I agree that way to many parents pressure teachers for that A grade to ensure their child makes honor roll or keeps an inflated GPA hoping for a scholarship. In reality, grades are warning signals to parents where problems may exist in their child's education.

    Teachers also cause problems in passing kids on to the next grade when the best thing for that student would be to fail them and let them retake the class.

  • Marjohna:

    When the charter schools in my area first started they advertised themselves as the “free private schools” thus undermining the ability, once again, of truly private schools to compete in the marketplace. Not only are they still under all the same regulations as public schools, they receive public funding at the expense of those who do not want to support them. They also use that funding as do the regular public schools to extravagantly equipe their facilities such that the patrons and more harmfully, the children have no appreciation for the real cost of things and a feeling of entitlement to things that they have not worked to obtain.
    As a teacher I have also run into the problem of people fixating on grades without any concern for the child's lack of skill that is indicated. Also, often, the parent will blame the teacher, instead of recognizing that the child has not adequately applied him/herself to the skill, (nor the parent to the child's study habits) or maybe seriously does just need more time working on it. People seem to think, that along with everything else, they are entitled to credentials no matter how incompetent they are.

  • Paw paw:

    Oak, you need to look in the mirror a little more often because you and your Eagle Forum buddies are just as scary as Bill Ayers. You ideology, not the Republic issue but your views of almost everything else you have posted on here, is extremism. The scariest part is how so many people are willing to line up behind you and trust that you and Gayle Ruzicka are correct on your issues. As you have admitted you are not a Constitutional scholar, neither is Glenn Beck by the way (didn't he go on a comedy tour because he knows he is not to be taken seriously?), and yet you try to make connections between things that should not be connected. Anyone can take a list of quotes (out of context once again) and facts about them and make up a list that fits their personal agenda. I could make a list showing you how Christ and Dionysus are really the same myth. That doesn't make it true though. You are a radical and are trying to “indoctrinate” people INTO (do you like that one Susie Schnell?) your ideal world.
    America unfortunately has no shortage of extremists. Some come from the far right, primarily in the form of racist and anti-Semitic hate groups or anti-government extremists. Others come from the far left, including environmental and animal rights extremists. Some extreme movements may focus around a single, narrow issue, such as abortion and involve anti-abortion extremists who bomb health clinics. Other movements may stem from ideologies that stress racial superiority, fanatic religious beliefs or radical political views.
    There is very little difference between the Eagle Forum and Al-Qaeda. I should spend the time and make the list of how both groups support many of the same ideas, but that is beneath me.

  • Barry Goldwater said: “I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!”

    I'm sorry but that's pathetic if you can't see the difference between Eagle Forum and Al-Qaeda. E.F. doesn't go around blowing people up who disagree with them. Nice post Paw Paw. Nobody on this site is advocating indoctrinating anyone, we're asking for a correct version of our country's history and a recognition of our correct form of government.

  • Pawpaw:

    Barry Goldwater- really? Well here's a quote from a Republican who actually one their election for president, Eisenhower: “People talk about the middle of the road as though it were unacceptable. Actually, all human problems, excepting morals, come into the gray areas. Things are not all black and white. There have to be compromises. The middle of the road is all of the usable surface. The extremes, right and left, are in the gutters.”
    As for Al-Qaeda and the Eagle Forum- you yourself told me that you were following the Bible's quote:
    “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.” Implying that you are using a sword to bring your message to others is NOT different at all than Al-Qaeda. Using religious views to support extremism is scary whether it is Muslims or Christians. Don't forget that Christians have killed more people in the name of God than Muslims could ever hope to. The Eagle Forum and its radical views are not dissimilar at all from Al-Qaeda. Besides, Al-Qaeda did not start off with violence- they started off using words to promote their ideas and then realized not enough people were buying into their rhetoric and so used violence against those who were making policy they didn't support. I am sorry, but I can easily see some E.F. people I have met turning to violence to stop Obama.

  • Christ's sword reference is a metaphor for fighting evil, not taking up a physical sword. If you don't think Christ and Paul spoke about fighting principalities and powers of evil, then explain Christ's statement in a different light.

    If you think Eagle Forum people are going to turn to violence to stop Obama, that's hilarious. They use their voice to advocate legislative issues.

  • Pawpaw:

    Thank you for taking my bait and proving your hypocrisy. Well, I believe that ASD's Mission Statement does not literally mean that our county is a Direct Democracy but you have interpreted them to be saying just that. I know Christ's statement was not meant the way I wrote it above, I was just trying to see of you would admit that words can be taken out of context and made to have a meaning by people that was not originally intended. I know you will say that Goodlad meant a literal Direct Democracy, which is wrong but I think my point stands.

  • Paw paw, Goodlad talks about a social democracy and not a direct democracy. If you read anything I've written you'd know that.

  • Loved Empire. Eagle Forum is not a far-right wing group. They are a principle based organization. You may find it fun to try and lump them into that category, but then again you've pushed Tea Party groups there too and there's no violence coming from any of them. They are tired of the federal government shredding the constitution and spending our great grandchildren into oblivion.

  • Pawpaw:

    Thank you for taking my bait and proving your hypocrisy. Well, I believe that ASD's Mission Statement does not literally mean that our county is a Direct Democracy but you have interpreted them to be saying just that. I know Christ's statement was not meant the way I wrote it above, I was just trying to see of you would admit that words can be taken out of context and made to have a meaning by people that was not originally intended. I know you will say that Goodlad meant a literal Direct Democracy, which is wrong but I think my point stands.

  • Pawpaw:

    As for the Eagle Forum turning to violence one day, it is very easy to see (as a moderate outsider) that it WILL happen one day if the E.F. doesn't start to get its way. The fanaticism that members of the E.F. have for their beliefs is quite scary. Their sense of “if you are not with us you are against us” is exactly what will lead to violence. History has proven this time and time again. The more fanatical that the E.F. and Tea party become, the more they will push the Far-left to retaliate. When the Far-Left gets more power and influence, then the Far-Right will go even more extreme. Those of us in the middle will soon have no power and will be caught between both sides of extremism.
    I have held these beliefs for more than 20 years. My life experiences and studies of history and politics have shown me that since McCarthyism and the Vietnam War our country has become polarized on way too many issues. There used to be a lot of common ground between Republicans and Democrats but now there is almost none. A few years ago I read a novel that actually addressed this issue of how the extreme Right and Left will destroy our country. I highly recommend that you read the Afterword to Orson Scott Card's Empire. Here's a link I found to that Afterword: http://www.hatrack.com/osc/articles/empire_afte

  • Paw paw, Goodlad talks about a social democracy and not a direct democracy. If you read anything I've written you'd know that.

  • Loved Empire. Eagle Forum is not a far-right wing group. They are a principle based organization. You may find it fun to try and lump them into that category, but then again you've pushed Tea Party groups there too and there's no violence coming from any of them. They are tired of the federal government shredding the constitution and spending our great grandchildren into oblivion.

  • Logos:

    No difference between Eagle Forum and Al-quaeda? Given to hyperbole much?