BYU Education Department Member of Revolutionary NAME Organization

In the summer of 2010, BYU’s education department told the Provo Daily Herald they were leaving John Goodlad’s National Network for Educational Renewal for “financial reasons” and said they were leaving other organizations as well. This might be true. They might have been losing donors who had become aware that John Goodlad’s organization was pressuring BYU and they might have told BYU no more money unless they dropped that association. Unfortunately, it looks like that was only one of several questionable memberships for BYU’s Education department.

This past week, I received an email from someone alerting me to BYU’s Education department’s current involvement with NAME, the National Organization for Multicultural Education, which is for “Advancing and Advocating for Social Justice & Equity.” On’s home page, we find a writeup with this headline, “NAME Statement of Solidarity with Occupy Chicago and the Global Occupy Movement”. You can read their statement of support for the revolution here: or click the image to enlarge it.

NAME Organization

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The 2008 NAME conference was titled “Beyond Celebrating Diversity: ReACTivating the Equity and Social Justice Roots of Multicultural Education.” This pretty much sums up the organization but to be totally clear, NAME’s mission statement includes these goals and objective:

Multicultural education is a philosophical concept built on the ideals of freedom, justice, equality, equity, and human dignity as acknowledged in various documents, such as the U.S. Declaration of Independence, constitutions of South Africa and the United States, and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights adopted by the United Nations…

…It [a multicultural education] prepares all students to work actively toward structural equality in organizations and institutions by providing the knowledge, dispositions, and skills for the redistribution of power and income among diverse groups.  Thus, school curriculum must directly address issues of racism, sexism, classism, linguicism, ablism, ageism, heterosexism, religious intolerance, and xenophobia…

…In addition, teachers and students must critically analyze oppression and power relations in their communities, society and the world…

…Multicultural education requires comprehensive school reform as multicultural education must pervade all aspects of the school community and organization.

Recognizing that equality and equity are not the same thing, multicultural education attempts to offer all students an equitable educational opportunity, while at the same time, encouraging students to critique society in the interest of social justice.

I strongly agree that equality and equity is clearly defined in the Declaration of Independence and U.S. Constitution. All [people] are created equal and endowed by their creator with unalienable rights. That should be what we teach all children. No one is better or worse than another because of the color of their skin. Everyone has the opportunity to rise to greatness. But that’s it. End of story. No legislating the playing field to give the advantage to anyone including minorities. Just level the playing field and give everyone the opportunity to become what they will.

On the Institutional Memberships page of NAME’s website, we find BYU listed.

NAME's Institutional Memberships

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Membership in this organization is a small annual fee but one can’t help but wonder why BYU didn’t drop this association when they dropped the NNER membership last year since they said they were dropping  “others” at that time.

On the Utah Chapter of NAME’s website, I discovered more BYU involvement on the board and in other supportive roles.

Utah NAME Chapter

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The email I received pointed out:

Alta High’s new principal was hired by Canyon’s District because he is a multicultural educator. He is out of the David O. McKay School, and received NAME’S 2011 Educator of the year award. He cowrote a book “Holistic Multicultural Education: Pedagogy for the 21st Century” with three others at BYU, one being Ramona Cutri—a current professor at the McKay school and 2009 President of NAME’s Utah Chapter.


Like John Goodlad’s NNER conference last year where Bill Ayers was the keynote speaker, Bill Ayers was the keynote speaker for NAME’s national conference last month (November 2011), and just like the good old days of BYU’s Education department involvement in Goodlad’s NNER, two BYU education professors were presenters at the conference (link to a review of the conference, Ayers on page 1 & BYU on page 6).

One presentation I found on the Utah NAME chapter website from March 2010, entitled “Making the Case for Multicultural Education in Utah” was from BYU Professor Ramona Maile Cutri. Among the slides I found this representative of what this organization is about.

Utah NAME Presentation
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BYU Education Department has a webpage (maybe more) devoted to diversity activities including how to incorporate multiculturalism into your classroom.



Membership in an organization promoting the downfall of America: CHECK

Membership in an organization with ties to Bill Ayers: CHECK

Membership in an organization promoting the gay agenda: CHECK

Membership in an organization promoting social justice: CHECK

Membership in an organization promoting redistribution of wealth: CHECK

Can we get a complete audit of BYU’s Education Department memberships and associations?


Also sent to me was a 2007 working document where BYU’s education department was performing a John Goodlad NNER “Equity Self-Study” evaluation related to the Public School Partnership. The PSP is how BYU relates everything they are doing and pushes it into the PSP school districts. This first page of the document shows Steven Baugh, director of CITES (the teacher and administrator training/indoctrination facility for the PSP); Richard Young, from BYU’s Education Department; and other representatives such as Alpine School District’s Superintendent Vern Henshaw, were major players in creating this document. The document shows political ideology in a phase called “sustaining progress.”

BYU PSP Equity Self-Evaluation

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Further down this chart is a line item called “Sexual Orientation” which is in the “Beginning to Implement” column. The two sets with footnotes in this column are written up as follows.

Xa) Language, Locality, Race, and Socioeconomic Status—We are beginning to implement a number of
programs/initiatives in these areas. Specifics are listed below entitled “Programs/initiatives to promote equity.” As
a general statement, we are sustaining progress in these areas.

Xb) Sexual Orientation—The School of Education has identified the knowledge, skills, and dispositions that every
teacher candidate should possess to assist all students in the schools to access a quality education regardless of
sexual orientation, disability, gender, etc. The primary place for teaching this is designated for the multicultural
classes required of all teacher candidates. In addition, all teacher candidate course work and field experience is
undergirded by the moral dimensions of teaching.

NAME is evidently the organization BYU choose to partner with to better indoctrinate teacher candidates in multicultural classes. The “moral dimensions of teaching” is the buzz-phrase from John Goodlad which includes the “Enculturating the Young into a Social and Political Democracy.” Both the NNER and NAME organization are in favor of overturning our system of government and moving toward a socialist state.

MAKE NO MISTAKE, if your child is in one of the PSP school districts which include Provo, Nebo, Alpine, Wasatch, Jordan, and probably Canyon now, your teachers are receiving this garbage as part of their training. Your administrators are being indoctrinated in it. It may take time to trickle down and some teachers will wisely filter out the garbage from their own mind, but at some point they will be held accountable to new standards which call for implementing these things in the classroom.

The dangers of BYU professors associating with Bill Ayers and other revolutionary minded people is most disturbing when parents think they are sending their children to a university with a belief that the U.S. Constitution was divinely inspired and their children are going to learn a love and respect for our country. Instead, children are being indoctrinated through these programs to promote people based on characteristics other than individual skill and effort, and to tear down our country and replace it with a direct democracy and moral relativism. If your child has an interest in becoming a teacher, I would strongly suggest avoiding BYU and urge everyone to not donate to BYU unless it’s to a specific department other than a teacher preparation department such as the Education and Math Education departments.

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28 Responses to “BYU Education Department Member of Revolutionary NAME Organization”

  • Susie:

    Just found another educational organization BYU’s MSE is heavily sponsoring. They LOVE Bill Ayers and mention him throughout their website in different pages. Their keynote speaker this year was Robert Bullough from BYU who told me personally that he is very good friends with Bill Ayers and agrees with his current practices. (This correspondence after he was upset I found a picture of him buddying up to Bill Ayers wearing a Communist Star T-shirt.) Two of NRMERA’s Board of Directors are also from BYU, including the President, and if you search their website, you’ll see just how many BYU employees and grad students are involved in this organization. Looks innocent enough online besides their class to push Constructivism, but the red flag was waving high when the only quotes mentioned throughout their website were those of radical revolutionary William (Bill) Ayers who hates America and wants to revolutionize our country through public education. What is the love affair between BYU and Bill Ayers? NNER, NAMES, and NRMERA are only 3 organizations that we accidentally stumbled upon. How many more are there BYU?

  • Marjohna:

    Thank you so much for the information.  It is a sad commentary – Latter-day Israel fawning over false gods…..  again!  Those who learn the lessons of History are doomed to be dragged, kicking and screaming, into its repetition by those who never learn anything!

  • Oak, why don’t you take this directly to the First Presidency?  Doesn’t Monson sit as the Chairman of the Board of Trustees? 

  • Tammy, it’s hard to tell sometimes if you’re serious or sarcastic. I’ll assume you’re serious. I’m pretty sure they knew about the NNER and John Goodlad and they didn’t take any direct action I could see, so perhaps it’s not their desire to intervene at this moment in time. Maybe they’re teaching correct principles (such as Elder Christopherson’s talk on the dangers of Korihor about a year ago shortly after things with the NNER became public) and letting people govern themselves. I don’t know. So my next hope is by exposing these things publicly, some big donors will quit donating and some department funding will dry up and they’ll have to drop these troubling affiliations. 

  • Susie:

    Tammy, we don’t have the privilege of sitting down with the prophet. All we can do is give it to our leaders and hope it gets into the right hands. We are all told to warn people when things like this come to light so that they can choose for themselves what they will do with the information. I’m sure the First Presidency is not completely knowledgeable about everything that goes on at a University run by men. And they have their hands tied many times because of laws, tenure and public consequences. I do know they rely many times on parents and concerned members to bring these things to their attention. What they do with that information is not a concern of mine. My personal responsibility is to be ever watchful of the evil which seeps into my children’s lives and the lives of the people around me in whom I care. 

  • I was serious Oak.  I’ve read where the people have said that we can’t expect the Board of Trustees can’t be expected to know all that is going on at BYU.  I get that.  But it would seem to me that if this is such an important issue, the Board of Trustees would welcome having the information presented to them.

    I understand about letting people govern themselves.  But if these young, potential teachers are being presented ideology so strikingly different from what the church teaches, shouldn’t be brought to light before the Board of Trustees.  I find it hard to believe that we should let these very young adults be responsible for governing themselves when being presented information that often doesn’t look negative on the surface.  Often what those in question are teaching is in and of itself truth, but is tainted when coming from the mouth of those who are associated with unsavory communities.

    Much of what I’ve read of Bill Ayers writings are NOT original.  He’s taken the wheel, reinvented it, and put his name to it.  I bet there you have used some of his philosophies in your parenting because in, of and by itself, the information is solid. 

    I hope that makes sense. 

    I’m not a sarcastic person in real life.  I love this profession. I graduated from BYU.  I believe that I was called to teach.  And my patriarchal blessing confirms this.

    My concern is that as you work to decrease department funding it will turn out harming those majoring in education, where taking your concerns to the Board of Trustees would give you an absolute in the direction you should be applying your efforts. 

  • Susie, we are speaking of an educational institution with a dress code so strict that a student wearing skinny jeans is turned away from the testing center.   I do not believe that a college that has the Prophet as the Chairman of the Board of Trustees, would ignore the degree of accusations you bring up if they are indeed true.   To say that you don’t have the privilege of sitting down with Monson doesn’t fly. You could send this information to many with BYU’s organization.  If your accusations are correct, this university would take the proper measures, laws, tenure and public consequences be darned.    I do not believe that BYU would knowingly and willingly allow evil to invade it’s walls. 

    And if our leaders, the prophet included, don’t see the danger that you do, or express to you that that this situation falls under their  stewardship and  not yours,  is it still your job to make these accusations?    Because in taking this to the Board of Trustees, many of which hold leadership positions within the church, you may be told that very thing. 

    As I’ve watched all of this unfold, I’ve seen you go after teachers, ASD, Rhonda Bromley, and now an organization who’s buck stops at the prophet’s desk.  For you to validate your actions by saying what people do with your information is no concern of yours kind of gives you a really wide realm  of immunity, doesn’t it?

  • Susie:


    I understand your frustration with us. After all, I might feel the same if I was the wife of the elementary school principal where all of this ASD/BYU mess started with Oak and now with me. I can understand your position and defensiveness. I’m not sure you’ve made that public so I wanted to make sure readers know why you get defensive every time we bring up something which questions these two institutions which we all help support. They are indeed doing some great things, but we should always be on guard because we are living in a confusing world.

    You use the word “accusation” many times as if these are false claims hurled haphazardly. Not true. The truth is that MSE has heavily sponsored at least 3 organizations which praise Bill Ayers and his philosophies and teach things vehemently contrary to the Proclamation of the Family. We always reference the original sources for anyone to see. Follow the links. Ayers might be a nice guy and you might agree with his theories, many do. That’s fine. BYU is very proud of these affiliations or their name wouldn’t be written up all over the websites of these organizations for sponsoring them, being in high leadership and teaching at their conferences. (Interesting though, that I usually don’t see these same things advertised in their own publications that go out to members. Perhaps I just missed that with all the research I do.)The facts that we reference are open for all to see unless of course they are quickly stricken from websites when we bring them to light. All we’re doing is taking direct quotes and info from these academic associations and printing them for others to see. It is all public information, but usually only the academic elites see them. If indeed these are great organizations and people, what is so wrong with bringing to light what is going on behind the scenes? After all, we know of the other great things BYU and ASD do; why not shed light on the organizations we all pay for with our tax dollars and tithing? I’m sure there are big financiers who would like to know everything they are contributing towards.Progressive academia elites are interesting….they love the praise, awards, money and attention they get from the Left, not to mention the fancy hotels and resorts we all pay for during these trainings, but as soon as these same awards, affiliations and sponsorships are brought into the light of the general population (you know, us common folk who ain’t that smart), all of a sudden we are called accusers. It’s the same information, but apparently one is OK and one is not.

    I don’t believe BYU knowingly brings evil within it’s walls. There are many great people associated with them and great things are happening. I am of the belief that there are many good people who are innocently led astray with sugary-sounding words and worldly theories which bring in dangerous philosophies quietly which ultimately hurt families and our country. 

    President Joseph F. Smith warned:“There are at least three dangers that threaten the Church within, and the authorities need to awaken to the fact that the people should be warned unceasingly against them. As I see these, they are flattery of prominent men in the world, false educational ideas, and sexual impurity. . . .(

  • Buffysnell:


    When you say,

    “I do not believe that BYU would knowingly and willingly allow evil to invade it’s walls.”

    Do you not take into consideration the fact that we’ve been warned of false Christs and false prophets in the church?  Ravenous wolves among the sheep?  Or the fact that Jesus himself allowed a murderous traitor to serve in the Quorum of the twelve? 

    Because God is so respectful of agency, he allows all kinds of evil to happen.  The scriptures say that it is our duty, as members of the church, to be watchful.  I’m sure this is what the prophet Brigham Young had in mind when he said that,

    “…the greatest fear
    he had was that the members of the church would take what he said
    as the mind and will of God without first praying and obtaining a
    witness of the same for themselves.” Ensign November 2003,

    We’ve never been encouraged to follow blindly.  And the evidence in this article clearly shows that there is a problem.  If that’s not enough, you’re only one sincere prayer away from seeing the truth of it.  I hope you will consider that.

  • Susie, let’s get something straight here.  I post under my real name  when I could have easily posted under an alias.  I wanted Oak to know who I was so that I could ask him questions and try to understand his POV. 

    I’m very upfront and honest like that.

    I hold degrees in education myself.  I am a former teacher. Like you, I am a patron of ASD.  And, most of all I speak for myself.  Not my husband.  My husband has his own views and opinions.  And I have mine.  There are issues in education that even my husband and I disagree on.  He sees them from his experience base, and I see them from mine.

    So to try and insinuate that I am trying to stir the pot because my husband is the Principal at Highland is really silly.  Oak knew from the beginning when he saw my last name who I was because that was my intention.

    I asked you a very easy question.  Instead of answering it you chose to pull out more ammunition for your cause. 

    You ask:  “It is all public information, but usually only the
    academic elites see them. If indeed these are great organizations and
    people, what is so wrong with bringing to light what is going on behind
    the scenes?”

    That’s what I’m saying.  Except I’m asking why you don’t bring it to light in full support of the Board of Trustees of BYU.  Take it to them, and then go by their counsel.

    Don’t you think that would give your argument much more weight?

    No frustration.  No defensiveness.  An open and honest question.  Oak chose to take my question as being a serious one.  Why don’t you?

    I don’t have to defend my husband, Suzie.  I seldom make a trip to Kohlers or to WalMart where I’m not stopped by someone and asked if I’m Tammy Hodson  and if my husband is the Principal of Highland Elementary.  When I say that I am, they tell me how much they appreciate how hard my husband works and the difference he has made in the life of their child/children.  In a position such as my husband’s, he’s not going to be able to please everyone. It simply isn’t possible.  Most people understand that, even if it makes them angry,  and don’t go around accusing him of being a progressive trying to secretly brainwash their children.  And no, I didn’t hear this from my husband.  I listened to you make this remark on a YouTube clip while you were giving a presentation to a group of parents.

    But you’ve gone beyond that now.  You are now saying that BYU is full of secret progressives trying to brainwash our young adults.  Being that BYU is headed by the prophet of our church, how do you reconcile that?

    I don’t know  Goodlad or Ayres.  I have read some, but by no means all of what they have written.  A lot of what I read of their educational viewpoints wasn’t anything they had invented themselves.  It was stuff that has been around for a very long time, way before either of them could even wield a pen.  My original question to Oak was if what they were writing about education in and of itself was the evil, or was it the men who were evil because of the other ideas they supported.  And could you separate the two?

    You never answered my question as to if by taking your theories to the Board of Trustees you were asked to cease and desist: would you or would you not?  You often use quotes by the leaders of the church to make your case.  What if the same leaders of the church disagreed with you?  Would you follow their counsel then?

    Your choice not to answer that question speaks volumes.

    While Oak and I may disagree on many things, I do believe that what he does comes from sincerely wanting to make positive change and make things better.  His approach may sometimes be baffling to me, and that is when I usually ask a question.

    Again, please remember that I am a well educated, intelligent woman with my own opinions.  And as a patron of ASD I have the right, just like you, to voice them.

  • Buffy, I do understand what you are saying.  Even the very elect can be deceived.  You are absolutely correct. 

    But isn’t it a disservice to BYU to have this information presented knowing that it will influence the thoughts of benefactors and parents without first going to the Board of Directors and asking their counsel?

    My belief is that if this information were to be presented to the board, and they found it to be of concern, then they would take the necessary actions to remove it, without the potential damage of the way its being done.

     Maybe I’m naive, but I do not believe that President Monson, knowing there are those trying to turn the hearts of the youth of BYU on a daily one on one class to class basis, within the walls of his stewardship at BYU, allow this to continue to happen.  BYU has relieved professors of their responsibilities before when their teachings have gone against the teachings of the church.  Why wouldn’t they now?

  • Tammy, I have a sincere question for you. Do you believe that what I’ve printed in this article and others is true and troubling about BYU’s Education department? What do you think should happen at BYU?

  • Susie:

    Tammy, my comment wasn’t an attack. I just merely stated whose wife you were so readers might realize your frame of reference. Oak knew who you were, but I didn’t for many months and wondered why you were so upset with anything we questioned going on at ASD when all of it was substantiated. All you ever said was that you were a parent. It’s always good to know where people are coming from to understand them. It certainly wasn’t an attack on your education or autonomy.

    Me? I am the daughter of someone who fled the Soviet Union under Stalin’s rule and I have received international awards for protecting families. I have a lot of background in fighting dangerous agendas which come into schools so I understand the process when others might not. There’s a lot more to both of us, but this post wasn’t about us.As far as your question, I do not publicize everything I do nor everyone I speak with. Please don’t assume we haven’t gone to higher authorities. Some things are private and some things are public. You are making some big assumptions in your comments that we’d rather not speak about on a comment board. We feel comfortable in all that we are doing. 

  • Oak, I sincerely don’t know.  I’m trying to find that out for myself.  If it is true, and I’m not saying it not……I’m using a turn of phrase here, then it is concerning to me.  This is why I asked you about taking it to the Board of Trustees.  If it is trickling down, being directly taught to the youth of the Church as truth, then I think the board needs to be made aware.  I have a daughter applying to go to BYU in spec ed.  I don’t want her testimony mucked with. 

  • Susie.  The mere fact that I am asking direct, sincere questions shows that I wasn’t assuming anything.  By writing the things you write and then telling me that you don’t share everything you’ve done, is, to me, unnecessarily cryptic. 

    Why wouldn’t you simply state that you have the support of the Leadership of the Church on this subject.

    I’ve made no assumptions.  I’ve only asked a few sincere questions. 

  • Susie:

    My understanding is that we as individual members should never say that we have the support of church leadership in the personal things that we do or say, especially when issues delve into such controversial and political matters. That’s when people get into trouble. We have done the best we can in this whole process and don’t think it’s appropriate to publicize things that should be private. You can assume that if we are still posting things, we have not been told otherwise and have received plenty of support for what we’ve done so far. 

  • Susie:

    Tammy, We’re sorry that these things are such a shock to you. They were for us to, but we figured it out a couple years ago when we saw these things trickling into ASD from these BYU trainings and we researched it back then. These things and others have been going on for years at BYU and many people have been aware of them. ASD Superintendent Vern Henshaw has known about Bill Ayers for years because he was in leadership with the NNER when Ayers was in attendance. Now you’ll understand why we’ve been trying to stop this direction and get our children back to better academics instead of Enculturating them into this political indoctrination. 

    These things are so entrenched now at BYU that they can’t just take out a few teachers and think that the university will be only teaching true LDS Doctrine. Many tenured professors from all over bring their false and worldly philosophies into their classes, yes, even at BYU. Read the Snow White Birds by President Boyd K. Packer. In fact, go to BYU’s new Education in Zion display and watch the video on students losing their testimonies in droves because of the worldly professors who were allowed into the university years ago. It’s the Snow White Bird’s display kind of hidden behind a wall. 

    Ironically, what you are now concerned about we’ve known for 2 years.  Others have known for longer, but we were the ones who published it. It has been trickling down and that is why we chose to bring up ASD’s involvement publicly. Now you’ll know why we have been so concerned. Now go back over all those things we wrote in former posts with your eyes wide open and you will see why we do what we do. Specifically, look up Bill Ayers and his connection with John Goodlad. It’s all there. Maybe now you’ll understand better where we are coming from. 

  • Buffysnell:

    Tammy, thank you for being reasonable.  If no one had gone to the Board of Directors about this already, I can see why you would think it was inconsiderate.  But I am aware of several people who have already made these kinds of efforts and have either been ignored or thanked.  This has been going on for years, and my personal opinion is that it’s a test, to see if the Saints will do something about it, or crucify the messenger.  It’s been my experience that people don’t want to know there’s something wrong because it would require something of them.  It’s easier to just bury our head in the sand and exclaim “all is well in Zion”.  The scriptures speak of being lulled away into carnal security.  If we don’t unite as a church, against evil, the Lord will let us pay the consequences.  And frankly, I believe there is so much apathy that we deserve what’s coming. 

    I really appreciate you asking the questions and taking more than a reproachful glance at this post. Not enough people are doing that, so thank you.  I would invite you to study, go to the board of trustees and decide what you think of Oak’s research for yourself.  Your opinion is your responsibility, and no one can make that for you. But we surely would welcome a sincere, educated, intelligent woman like yourself to our ranks if you decide Oak is right.  J  Neutrality is a luxury enjoyed by the apathetic–thank you, thank you for having the courage to engage!

  • Anonymous:

    Let me get the logic of this correct.  BYU is endorsing Korihor because of its associations with organizations that have associations with Goodlad who has an association with Bill Ayers who has associations with terrorism and/or communism. 

    So if we extend that logic by one more degree, could we also say that the First Presidency is also endorsing Korihor because of its association with BYU?  Heck, we could also say that the active members of the church are endorsing Korihor by supporting the LDS church through tithing?

    Gotta love guilt by association.    

  • Buffysnell:

    I’m still exhausted from our last exchange, your majesty. J

  • Anonymous:

    The downfall of individual members is that they mix religion with politics in an effort to persuade a particular group of people to endorse certain political ideologies. 

  • Anonymous:

    Tammy, keep up the good fight.  If you are feeling confused, let the spirit help you determine what is right and wrong. In a way, I think it already has, just listen to it.   

  • Scott:

    I find the “Snow White Birds” metaphor apt, only in reverse. Philosophy and reason give minds wings, rather than constricting or removing them. If people abandon ideas and beliefs after critical reflection and study, the problem is with the ideas, not the thinker or reason itself.  Commenting on specific problems referenced in the talk: students can hardly be blamed for abandoning belief in the literal global flood since it contradicts scientific consensus in geology, physics, chemistry, molecular genetics, evolutionary biology, archaeology, and paleontology, or for questioning the Tower of Babel narrative given what modern linguistics can tell us about the development of human language. BYU biology professors should have no problem teaching “the theory of evolution as a demonstrated law,” since that is precisely what it is.  In short. BYU would be best advised to close its entire science department if it wants to avoid undermining belief in a literal old testament; there are realities that professors can hardly avoid if they expect to avoid being the laughingstock of the civilized world.  If they go that far, they may as well (and probably should) close the department of philosophy too. I’m sure they’ve considered it; you don’t need an understanding of Occam’s Razor, cosmology, or genetics to be an accountant, something BYU is known for producing in droves (drones?).

    I also have to laugh at the idea that The Lord’s University is in the grasp of a conspiratorial communist octopus. BYU was doing a fine job of remaining steadfastly dogmatic and conservative when I was there just a few years ago; any person who left as a progressive or worse, a freethinker, did so in spite of his surroundings, not because of them.

  • Scott, somehow it doesn’t surprise me that you would view the Snow White Birds in reverse in spite of Elder Packer giving the talk. In spite of the evidence (and plenty more that’s coming), you see BYU as a stereotyped conservative school where students are all indoctrinated to be Reagan republicans and anyone who has the fortune to break out of that mold must be a real thinker. What’s your evidence for that Scott? Why don’t you start with the Education department and then move to the English department and show how just those two departments are really promoting conservatism and freedom under the U.S. Constitution.

    I love your contradiction above, by the way. “The THEORY of evolution as a demonstrated LAW.” That’s classic. And false. Natural selection is law, evolution is a dream theory for atheists that has never once been proven. There is no evidence that anything evolves into anything other than itself. Once someone accepts that no evidence exists in the temporal world for evolution, the alternative, that God created all things, must be true in spite of our very limited understanding of the flow of events. 

    The problem at BYU is that parents send there children there to learn God’s truth but are getting the world’s philosophies in the name of becoming “critical thinkers.” I am fully supportive of showing both sides of the story of an issue. You want to have students read the Communist Manifesto? Great! Put it up against the Constitution and see which document is supported by the revealed Word of God and make sure those students gain that vital knowledge to build their faith and testimony. That’s not what’s happening. Right now there are professors who will present radically anti-gospel positions without helping their students understand how God’s laws differ from them. Students are losing their testimonies when their parents sent them to BYU hoping the school would provide a bulwark against life’s storms for their children. Instead, some trusted teachers are violating that trust and sullying the snow white birds. A free thinker isn’t a moral relativist. It’s someone who loves and pursues the truth and the source of that truth is God.

    By the way, a lack of revealed knowledge about the earth’s history will be corrected soon enough. Students should learn all about the sciences including the evidence for the flood and other events, which does exist, and also bear in mind what’s coming.

    D&C 77:6 Q. What are we to understand by the book which John saw, which was sealed on the back with seven seals? A. We are to understand that it contains the revealed will, mysteries, and the works of God; the hidden things of his economy concerning this earth during the seven thousand years of its continuance, or its temporal existence. 

  • Scott:

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  • TheKingsCourt, religion and politics are going to be fully combined when Christ comes back. Correct principles lead to unity when we follow this council.
    Marion G. Romney, April 1983 General Conference.
    “We of this Church can come to a unity and a oneness which will give us strength beyond anything we have yet enjoyed if we will obtain a sounder understanding of the principles of the gospel and come to a unity in our interpretations of present world conditions and trends. This we can do by prayerful study of the Lord’s word, including that given to us through the living prophet.
    This is the way to come to a unity. If we will study the word of the Lord as it comes to us through the standard works and through the instructions of the living prophet and not harden our hearts, but humble ourselves and develop a real desire to understand its application to us in our own peculiar circumstances, and then ask the Lord in faith, believing that we shall receive (see Doctrine & Covenants 18:18), all the while being diligent in keeping the commandments of the Lord, surely the path we should follow will be made known unto us, and we will be able to face the world as a solid unit.”

  • Scott, I never said the school was turning out Marxist zombies and I have tried to be very clear this is happening in the Education department, not necessarily other departments on campus (though next week there will be another department identified in an article if I have time to get it out). I have been pointing out troubling associations that professors in that department have, which most certainly filter out to students in the classrooms as those teachers share their philosophy.

    If you feel God isn’t the source of absolute truth, we have a difference of opinion. I am well aware he hasn’t revealed *all things* yet and so we wander in the dark on some things, but when we measure say the Communist Manifesto against the Constitution, I think when we consider the revealed doctrine of moral agency and the fact that God Himself declared he raised up the Founders of our nation, we would be pretty clear on which document to declare our loyalty.

    I missed that your reference to evolution was from the Snow White Birds talk. Obviously not a lot has been revealed about the “how” of creation. One book I read which contains an interesting LDS oriented theory is Eric Skousen’s “Earth, In the Beginning,” which includes a way to explain the dinosaurs and the their purpose. A couple of verses that have always intrigued me are found in Moses 2:20-21 which first seem to indicate life came from the waters, but then says everything propagates after its own kind. Can’t wait to see the movie someday…

    20 And I, God, said: Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl which may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
    21 And I, God, created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind; and I, God, saw that all things which I had created were good.

    That BYU story was interesting that they teach evolution and hand out statements from the prophets. It would be interesting if the education department followed that course and put their humanists like Goodlad and Ayers next to statements from the prophets which would then lead students to reject those philosophies.

    Scott, I’m not underestimating students, I’m understanding human nature. Korihor gained power over people because he made humanist philosophy sound appealing. The education department is heavily involved with humanists like Goodlad and Ayers. They aren’t boogie-men that are waiting to kill anyone, they just want their philosophies spread through efforts to democratize knowledge, morals, and patriotism. The Book of Mormon teaches us to fully reject these types of people and associations (

    I’m also not looking for BYU to be “ultra-conservative.” I’m looking for it to honor the constitution, observe the teachings of the prophets and lessons the Book of Mormon is trying to warn us about in the last days, and help youth understand the issues in light of what has been revealed so that our children are strengthened in their faith and testimonies and know what to watch out for in the issues they will encounter. The math issue is directly tied to Goodlad’s and Ayers’ philosophies (

  • Susie:

    Scott, I know you are being sincere. Thank you for stating your opinions clearly and for taking the time to do so. What you have written, however, has made my heart very heavy. I read the Darwinism paper explaining how the Biology professors at BYU are teaching Darwinism along with LDS beliefs and unfortunately, I know the author well. I’m very sad that this is how BYU influenced this sweet girl who is only a year older than my own son. They went to school together and she was a member of my ward. This is a paper from a student, not a professor. If you want to know how these young students are being influenced, please read….The prophets and LDS scholars have come out strongly against Darwinism and evolution, yet it is being mingled with the words of the prophets at BYU as if it is gospel truth. We probably have to agree to disagree on this one, but thanks for letting us know.